“When science discovers the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to find they are not it.” — Bernard Baily
“It is necessary that we first draw the distinction between evil and ordinary sin. It is not their sins per se that characterize evil people… The central defect of the evil is not the sin but the refusal to acknowledge it… the self-righteous who think they are without sin because they are unwilling to suffer the discomfort of significant self-examination. ” — M. Scott Peck1
“Are a man’s lies merely an indication of his own twisted reality, or does he consciously know he is lying when he sets out to make himself look like the perfect, innocent and injured party?” — Tigress Luv
It never cease to amaze me how The Naked Emperor can continue to pump out this pernicious gibberish and maintain a straight face. It is unbelievable. Does he believe it? I doubt anyone will ever know. A duplicity wrapped in a deceit inside a chicanery. It’s a business model. He has to pretend to believe it –
Fair weather atheists and sunshine skeptics
November 22, 2011 at 8:32 am
PZ Myers
…Which brings me to the third point that makes me rage. Skepticon did promote science and critical thinking. The hypocrisy lies in thinking that religion must somehow be exempt from that kind of examination, and I truly, deeply despise the idea that religion must be a walled garden that may not receive the same criticism as any other wacky idea…
Says The Naked One from behind the impenetrable Iron Curtain of his brave new empire – where no reason, reality or contrary opinion will ever penetrate. The Nixon parallels run far deeper than just the stupid grins. So let’s hold a mirror up to the above statement.
Perhaps the most nauseating display of Myers’ double standards and one-law-for-them-and-another-one-for-us hypocrisy was seen recently when a female community member pointed out some new evidence she found that cast further doubts on the already flimsy and ever changing fairytale Rebecca Watson is struggling to hold together about the mythical Elevator Guy. She mentioned it via a Facebook post.
The response from Myers, with his Deputy Dawg yap-yap Greg Laden, who arrived out of nowhere with the standard white-knight-defending-Becky’s-honour routine and, as usual, did everything other than address the points being raised. On this occasion though they truly betrayed their vigorously denied neo-puritan, quasi-Calvinist ideological roots by responding in a manner worthy of Victorian christendom – they branded the woman in question as insane. How truly retro – a woman that speaks back to you and refuses to respect your manifest authority is obviously not in possession of her wits and needs help. I’m surprised they didn’t suggest a hysterectomy as a permanent cure for her contrary disposition. This is Myers style “enlightened” non-sexism. In this case their natural viciousness was also nakedly exposed – both knew clearly, and well before the attack, that their target was particularly sensitive to slurs involving mental health issues. This in itself was probably the reasoning for the style of the attack – to maximise personal damage. But to make a long story short, Myers response is identical to the kind of response the religions he so much despises use. “Hypocrite? Moi?”
Of course attacking a person via the implied psychiatric disorder route is nothing new for The Naked Emperor. In fact, it now seems to be the default method to escalate personal assaults against individuals when conventional abuse and intimidation fails. He has done it to others, including myself – in my case even making the desperate effort to imply I am as dangerous and deranged as Dave Mabus.
This is what happens when you are trapped in a demented reality space such as that of Myers – you cultivate a mythology of infallibility about yourself, and simultaneously indulge in the promotion of ideological nonsense that is impossible to either support or defend. When criticism occurs, as it should in a skeptical community, you will find yourself in Myers’ position – one of not having a leg to stand on. Desperation sets in. A person with common decency would, after analysing the data, concede their errors, shrug their shoulders and move on. But Myers is infallible. To concede error would entail shattering the illusion – a fate worse than death for any amoral narcissist. So Myers keeps scraping his barrel of filth to find new ways to smear those that call his bullshit for what it is – bullshit.
So let’s just replay Myers’ words again –
…I truly, deeply despise the idea that religion must be a walled garden that may not receive the same criticism as any other wacky idea…
Indeed.
Myers’ and his troop of baboons’ hypersensitivity to criticism and intellectual vacuity at defending their preposterous idiocy is legendary in general across the shop – not just to stuff related to the privileged, pudgy pink princess he has such an unhealthy fixation on. At least non-baboons can see this clearly – and it is not limited to secularists. You just have to watch the imbeciles tear legitimate scientists to shreds for questioning their divine infallibility, for no other reason than that they are not clearly identifiable as members of the accepted baboon board ingroup. “Freethinkers”. Antithesis of…
This mindless casuistry from Myers was prompted again by a storm in a teacup. But when you’re in the yellow journalism industry as Myers and freefromthoughtblogs are, nothing is too small to froth up into hysteria and get the lynch mob baying for blood. They are in the business of spectacle, not substance. It all revolves around a gelato shop that objected to the presence of a skeptic conference – with later admission of emotional overreaction and apology from the proprietor. This is all insufficient, as Myers is still proclaiming –
Mio Gelato is owned by a bigot2
– and splattering it over umpteen posts all over the baboon board. No apology is ever going to be good enough. But the accusation of bigotry from an ideological thug like Myers again puts it squarely into familiar hypocrite territory. What is more harmful to our communities? This tiny gelato shop? Or the mindless and relentless repetition of statements like these?
November 2, 2011 at 9:34 pm
PZ Myers
…The problem, as we’ve seen in online behavior by the self-centered pigs, is that there’s no shortage of men (and women!) willing to form a support group for misogyny and rape culture…
This is Myers pet BigLie project – a day can’t pass without some kind of variant on this theme being splattered somewhere, that atheism is overrun by rapists, rape apologists and gender traitors – effectively anyone that voices disapproval or concern at the deranged ideology Myers is choosing to force down the throats of the entire secular community no matter what the cost or how many people are destroyed in the process.
All without providing a single shred of evidence, Myers is quite prepared to slander entire demographics within the community. Atheist misogyny implies open hatred of women endorsed by the community as a whole. As Hitch, who Myers has the nerve to champion even though he has devoted his life to eviscerating losers like Myers, says –
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
Myers, you are obligated to provide us with some evidence you baboon3. And if you can’t, or won’t, then STFU. Myers pumps out his toxic bullshit on a daily basis without any evidence and entirely free from any kind of accountability. For what? A pair of Becky’s soiled panties? And he calls the gelato guy a bigot? Mind boggling.
Yes, I truly, deeply despise the idea that religion must be a walled garden that may not receive the same criticism as any other wacky idea. And that religion is the one that worships at the church of freefromthoughtblogs.
1 – Yes, I am fully aware that M. Scott Peck is a christian psychiatrist of some notoriety. But his page of quotes could have been written with Myers specifically in mind. It is also delicious to note the ease with which Myers and his baboons accuse their detractors of psychiatric illness when they have exhausted their conventional arsenal of abuse and threat. In the old days, they’d be accusing you of sorcery.
2– bigot
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
3 – Myers’ entire evidence base consists of rumours. Purported anonymous random internet sociopaths who are probably not even involved in our communities – and even so, Myers has never provided a single citable instance. And this is the basis for relentlessly dragging the entire atheist community through the mud. Who needs christians to undermine and destroy atheism when you have people like Myers?
November 25, 2011 at 3:16 am
Lots of other very sane and very thoughtful people are calling PZ out on his vengeful rage. It is so bizarre that he will not accept an apology from the Gelato guy that many very vocal atheists are commenting. Coyne is never afraid to speak his mind on the topic of atheism. Perhaps we will start to see the end of the PZ worship that is going on. Coyne references an article by Jacoby and a blog by Metha. Hopefully, PZ will learn from this (or he will further dig in his heels).
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/paula-kirby-christian-politicians-are-professional-victims/#comment-157636
November 25, 2011 at 8:20 am
PZ appears to gain a perverted but temporary satisfaction from merely being ANGRY. Angry about something, anything, it doesn’t really matter what. It doesn’t even matter if it is real. He needs to be ANGRY.
Like the drunk bloke at the front bar who is just itching for a fight, and will spout the most vile invective at strangers in order to get one of them to take a swing at him.
I think that there is something dreadfully wrong with his self-esteem.
November 25, 2011 at 12:28 pm
This is the essence of yellow journalism – outrage. Myers has brought the vileness of the gutter tabloid into our community.
John: Hopefully, PZ will learn from this
You waif. Does anything other than snowflakes and hell cross your mind when you really contemplate the possibility?
November 25, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Oh! You made my day. I love the idea of being a waif.
November 25, 2011 at 4:12 am
“Who needs christians to undermine and destroy atheism when you have people like Myers?”
I sometimes fancy that the two are in cahoots. I mean look at the signs: the puritanism, the witch-hunting, the authoritarian zeal, the tribalistic xenophobia, the complete abandonment of rational thought, and most damning of all, a concerted effort to divide the atheist community. Shunning Dawkins? Really?
I know, the suggestion is outrageous. But come on! They stink of Agents Provocateurs!
November 25, 2011 at 4:45 am
The gelato guy’s apology was perfectly adequate for me. What else would Myers have him do? The cause of atheism is not going to be helped by continuing to pile on to a little guy who has offered what appears to be (at least to me) a sincere apology.
Were I superstitious I might see some divine message in the fact that an anagram for “Myers, Benson, Watson, Laden, Thibeault” is “What ya built: demonstrable nonsense”.
November 25, 2011 at 8:58 am
That’s funny. The anagram engine comes out with such perfect ones sometimes. I would also see something deeper to it if I were superstitious.
November 26, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Indeed – can it truly be mere coincidence that anagrams for “pharyngulites” include “unearthly pigs” and “ugly rape hints” and “punish greatly” and “any shit gulper” and “hi, ugly parents”? Or that an anagram for “pharyngula users” is “surly hags run ape”? Perhaps the “intelligent design” folks are onto something!
November 25, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Myers beats up on the little guys because that’s what schoolyard bullies do. If there was a single cell of consistency anywhere in his carcass, as Sacha and others have pointed out, he would also be slandering and muckracking Hitchens. He doesn’t, he puts on his other outfit for Hitch – that of the obsequious sycophant. He wants some of Hitch’s sparkle to rub off.
This is what makes me think he is not a genuine deranged ideologue like the Talking Prune or Skeptifem – rather an ideologue of opportunity. He merely goes where he thinks he will find the most populist outrage to better serve his own interests. Which makes him far more repugnant.
November 25, 2011 at 6:32 am
Dammit, why do you keep sending me back to that dungheap? I’m trying to quit it, but you keep pulling me back in…
But I struggled through the post and comment thread in question, and can you guess which comment PZ singles out for high praise? Yep, it’s from a female commenter who compares the gelato guy incident to a drunken ex-boyfriend who used to beat her up. “Excellent”, replies PZ a few posts later.
That’s clearly what he’d been waiting for. All the garden-variety huzzahs in the world don’t interest him. The approbation he’s looking for could only come from one place, and that’s from a rape culture hysteric.
November 25, 2011 at 8:20 am
Now they’re all fighting about sexist, misogynistic bunnies in a cartoon. Unfuckingbelievable:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/11/24/sometimes-a-bunny-is-just-a-bunny/comment-page-1/#comment-187491
November 25, 2011 at 9:01 am
What really amazes me is that he’s NOT taking their side on this one.
November 25, 2011 at 9:21 am
OMG is PZ finally waking up to see the monster that he has created? Is there some hope that he’s going to recognize that “jadehawk” and “caine” and “tabby lavalamp” and “nerd of redhead” and all those other baboons are fucking insane?!?!!? Worried about “gender stereotypes” in a FREAKING CARTOON?!?!?
November 25, 2011 at 9:17 am
For people who hate Fox News they really do emulate Glen Beck. What’s next looking at art for sexism?
Hmmm, always after his lucky charms. Those kids must being trying to rape that leprechaun. However, it is a male leprechaun so that doesn’t count although….
November 25, 2011 at 2:07 pm
The baboon king has lost control of the baboons! Haha. The thread is amazing. Hundreds of butt hurt cry-babies all making sure they get their little jab in. They should have listened to us months ago when we told them they were going too far. Now it is a bad joke that is out of control. Bunnies in skirts and pants…. oh god… the patriarchy at work again.
It is fun to watch the insanity… I must say. Now I just read and laugh.
November 25, 2011 at 3:03 pm
John, your comment was “devowled”. Please let us know what you wrote.
November 25, 2011 at 3:13 pm
How juvenile is that?
Vandalising comments “for lulz” is infantile behaviour at the best of times.
PZ’s growth-spurt into mental maturity was very short-lived indeed.
November 25, 2011 at 3:39 pm
/rolls eyes at the infantile behaviour of this clown PeeZus masquerading as a Professor.
Ack! I’ve been screenshotting like mad today to keep track of mposts for Pharwongula, and i forgot that one.
I think I said:
“I continue to be amazed that you people take yourselves seriously.
“Bunnyism.
“Grab me my fainting couch please.
“Unfuckin’believable.
“ahs said:
‘Nah. I’m fighting for the day when we can say “this shows an unfortunate gender stereotype” and the responses aren’t NO IT DOESN’T NO IT DOESN’T okay maybe it does but THIS IS THE WRONG BATTLE.’
“So, what? You’re fighting for the day when all the world sings along with you with nary a dissenting opinion? It’s gonna be a long wait.
“alexknight said:
‘As ever, PZ, you are the voice of reason.’
“ROFLOL.
“Nerd of Redhead said:
‘Folks like this are zealots themselves, as they try to inhibit rational discussion, that would shortly die out if they, not us, just ignored the discussion. Unfortunately, privilege only gains strength if it is not repeatedly challenged.'”
I don’t remember exactly what I said to Redhead, but on reflection I know it was kind of gobbldegooked by a foggy hangover. It went something along the lines of Redhead’s definition of privilege being only something he doesn’t have.
And then I finished with:
“Maybe ya’ll should ‘something lost in the fog’ the rusty porcupine or whatever it is ya’ll like to yell at each other in these hallowed halls of rational reasoned discourse.”
Ha, ha, ha PeeZus has banned me! I finally made it to PeeZusville, and I get banned on my first (I think it was my first), go-around. LOLs to me.
November 25, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Congratulations on your Dungeon entry. Looks like he’s embarrassed at being told “missed a spot” while cleaning. He thinks you were pointing out a smudge. The truth is, you were pointing out a rare clean spot, non-smudged.
He’s become a pouty, overboard victim and bully combined. He needs you to stay an enemy. You don’t get to go there and tell him that you agree this time. That upsets the scenery.
November 26, 2011 at 11:47 am
Ya, “smudge spotting”. I don’t even know what that means. But I do know that, as per usual, when he says:
“You don’t get to wallow gleefully in a cesspit of misogyny for months and months, bleating about ‘twats’ and ‘cunts’, and then show up here and gloat at the thought you’ve spotted a smudge.”
he is continuing to draw on the Big Lie, or one of them at any rate. ERV is not a cesspit of misogyny in any intelligent, non-ideologically-driven critical thinking human being’s estimation, and to the best of my memory I have never called anyone a twat — I just think it’s a dumb word. I may have used the word cunt a time or two, but I don’t think I ever called anyone a cunt. I called Watson a bitch once a few months ago on ERV, but I think that’s about it.
PeeZus: An angry cowardly little man on an ideological mission from the icy domain of genderfemville.
November 25, 2011 at 3:46 pm
I find it quite interesting how many posters art Pharyngula are completely comfortable admitting that they indeed did not at all see any sexism or whatever in the bunnies UNTIL IT WAS POINTED OUT TO THEM. And of course they are now up in arms about the horrors of Bunnyism.
Oooh!
Cripes on a broken biscuit. Like they are completely unaware how that falls perilously close to pareidolia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia), and the woo peddlers who sells books titled “You’ll See it When You Believe it”.
Beehive friggin’ robot clowns the lot of them.
November 26, 2011 at 4:59 am
so subtle, and yet so powerful:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/11/24/sometimes-a-bunny-is-just-a-bunny/comment-page-1/#comment-187427
and then there is this:
MRA wannabees? It’s their fault.
November 26, 2011 at 5:04 am
and the horror!
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/11/24/sometimes-a-bunny-is-just-a-bunny/comment-page-1/#comment-187457
November 26, 2011 at 9:12 am
Of course it is “the others” fault.
For NOTHING can be PZ’s fault; and his spew-crew are flawless as well.
“Sociopathy Rules!” for the acephalic angels.
November 25, 2011 at 8:22 am
Have you seen the latest from the Baboon King? He just keeps getting better and better:
“You want to say society diminishes women’s roles? I’ll agree with you. You want to complain about the unjustified authority given to men? I’ll back you 100%. You found some weasel who wants to deny that women are treated like second-rate citizens? I’ll join in the stomping. But show prolonged outrage at one twee cartoon that just happens to have a bunny in a dress playing the role of Simplicio, and you’ve lost me.”
In true feminist style, he’ll no doubt continue to deny that the opposite of each of those statements also happens, and what about the prolonged outrage over one twee human interaction in an elevator that just happens to involve a professional victim AKA a feminist?
Quote: “I’ll be more impressed, though, if you take a moment to instead come up with real instances of oppression, discrimination, and intimidation of women (they’re not hard to find)”
Yes. He actually typed that, no doubt with a straight face. Funny how he and the baboons seem incapable of citing any of this apparently easy to find evidence when responding to Mr. Hoggle or anyone for that matter. They’d rather just throw out insults instead.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/11/24/sometimes-a-bunny-is-just-a-bunny
November 25, 2011 at 8:39 am
The not seeking retribution and ever peaceful naked emporer,
November 25, 2011 at 4:45 pm
McCreight is one of the worst of the bunch. She has vengeance buried deep in her psyche. Bladhag was the first blog I was banned from. The good news is that she is just a stupid kid. She may grow out of her fuck-headedness.
November 25, 2011 at 6:06 pm
that’s PZ “screaming for vengeance” in that tweet, not McCreight.
November 25, 2011 at 6:09 pm
What’s the difference? It’s all the one Borg.
November 25, 2011 at 7:23 pm
I invoked the word “privilege” in an argument a few months back. I feel dirty for it. At the rate that word (and “troll” for that matter) spews out of the hate machine of late, it incessantly hammers home what a dick move that was on my part. Never again.
November 27, 2011 at 1:50 am
I have tried being a regular on Myers’ blog at least three times. He does write some good biology stuff sometimes. It’s the way too regular regulars that are the problem with the place. They attack each other over seemingly meaningless slights. Everyone gets offended by everyone else. I thought the purpose of a site dedicated to debunking creationism with biological fact was showing some sort of solidarity. I disagreed with what people said sometimes, but kept my fingers away from the keyboard if my response wasn’t constructive. They seem to delight in who can be the biggest a-hole. The weirder aspect is the people that seem to hang around just to take the punishment. There’s something about the whole thing that turns too many people into attack dogs or lap muts for whatever lockstep dogma is being thrown out at the time. Any subject with any hint of contention degenerates into a ragefest. If they’re like that in real life, I pity the people they live with. I won’t be returning, Third time is the end-of-charm.
November 29, 2011 at 1:59 am
Even if it serves no other purpose, the Pharyngula comment section is useful as a warning. It shows precisely to what end their deranged ideology leads. Shunning, blacklisting, character assassination, presumption of guilt and guilt by association… Frightening!
November 27, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Franc, and anyone else who is curious, you might be interested to know that PeeZus has now sent someone named Vincent to the dungeon for the heinous crime of being a “barely literate thug who tried to intimidate another commenter by revealing personal information.” (my emphasis — if it worked)
Just thought you might find that interesting.
And poor Tristan is still not mentioned in the role call of Dungeonistas.
November 27, 2011 at 6:03 pm
And another ten-thousand industrial-strength irony-meters explode in spectacular fashion under the load.