Following on from an earlier item lamenting the past, and the assertion that by 1977, punk was already something that, for the main part, had run its course, most of its raw creative energy spent.
I drew the comparison to Dada, as have numerous other commentators, and I think it is a valid one – the heady, defining days of the movement were an expression of absolute rejection of existing norms and contempt for the meaninglessness of consumer culture, undermining it by, literally, fucking the system off and doing everything yourself with its discarded scraps. From a creative perspective it was utopian, but as a business model it was worthless.
If there was going to be any kind of financial traction to be had in this, this DIY ethic was the first thing that had to go. Enter Malcolm McLaren, the PZ Myers of British alt-culture. Having used up, and ultimately destroyed, his flagship product The Sex Pistols, McLaren was ready to ride punk back into the lands of consumerism, designer control and brand labels. The bastard’s answer was the pure dripping insipidness of New Wave, closely followed by the narcissistic onanism of New Romanticism.
Once the DIY ethic of punk was subverted, it was ripe for commodification – but it also needed to be denatured and declawed. The first things that had to go, apart from distortion pedals, were the expressions of commitment – the mohawks and the facial piercings1. It had to be turned into something part-time, a look that could be put on for the weekends and shed again for the work week to accomodate those that actually had cash they could be deprived off – office workers. New Wave was naughty, but not too naughty, and your boss and your parents need never know. It was “safe”, there was no more danger. The first consequence is the loss of most of its creative energy, but that is a small price to pay for business expediency. There was a collective groan of despair from many. It was ignored.
Of course, it wasn’t quite end of story yet. There still were some pockets of resistance, and some kids that still wanted to fuck the system. Perhaps the greatest response was in the US with the explosion of American Hardcore. But there also was a lesser scene, possibly even more interesting. It was concentrated almost entirely in New York – the appropriately named No Wave, which I must confess a spiritual yearning for, a time and space where I would have felt most at home. It was another resurgence of the primal Dada impulse and made for some of the most interesting cultural artifacts of the 20th century.
Rather a convoluted way of saying I stumbled upon another long lost gem. One of the No Wave golden boys, James Chance, in this incarnation, as James White and the Blacks (aka …and the Contortions), with what is possibly the sleaziest thing ever committed to vinyl. Lydia Lunch is on the other end of the phone.
1 – Now, 30 years later, both of these seem tame and acceptable, which confirms that most things take a whole generation before they can be properly stomached. I hope gay marriage folks aren’t holding their breaths for actual, as opposed to tokenistic, progress.
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Higher quality, even sleazier sounding version here. The above is nice for the random damaged vinyl feel though –
November 15, 2011 at 3:44 am
All “anti” types of movements are destined to either die or be absorbed by culture. It must be so.
When it comes down to it we are all just whores looking for power, money, or popularity. Even our friend Diogenes was ultimately a whore…. perhaps he had no money, but he was no doubt thrilled at his power (if only to disturb others). Diogenes… the ultimate drama whore!
If our self expression is so personal and so radical that it is immune to cultural change then it is also so personal that no one else will understand it. I don’t even try to produce “art” anymore since anything I make that expresses me personally will be undecipherable to others. And… if it ends up on a wall or in a museum it will be destroyed.
Fuck it!
November 15, 2011 at 11:18 am
Even our friend Diogenes was ultimately a whore…. perhaps he had no money, but he was no doubt thrilled at his power (if only to disturb others)
Oh really? Claims like that require substance, otherwise you sound like one of the baboons. The one defining trait of The Dog was consistency – he never deviated from his path. Thrillseekers modify their behaviour to suit their purposes. Diogenes was just a born asshole. And the only guru you ever need.
November 15, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Dhoh! Franc – Did I just touch on something you hold sacred? Hmmmmmmm…… I will ponder this topic more before I debate you on this (if you don’t mind).
November 15, 2011 at 2:38 pm
and I guess I have never really been into gurus…..
November 15, 2011 at 2:45 pm
“Guru” is sarcasm. Diogenes is the anti-Baboon King. A supreme naturalist with no ego that liked jerking off in public on busy streets during business hours. If you ever do bother to read up on him properly, you’ll know what you said is kind of absurd.
November 15, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Honestly, Franc, I struggle with the idea that he was ego free (as much as ego is pretty hard to define). I have read a bit about the “dog-man” but I could use something to read after I complete the two volume set of the “History of Ethics” that I am reading now. Any suggestions? (and that guru comment was a setup!).
November 15, 2011 at 3:12 pm
There is a good brief essay in the TOA files section. Otherwise google, +plato +diogenes is good for a laugh. You also have to remember this was the guy that told Alexander the Great to fuck off when he offered him any wish. Serious books you have to pay for – Amazon has a good selection. Luis Navia is probably the best scholar, and William Desmonds _Cynics_ is an excellent overview. Ego and self-aggrandisement are antithetical to Cynicism in general. It’s all humility, simplicity and obnoxiousness. And fucking sacred cows. It’s more a lifestyle than a philosophy.
November 15, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Cool… thanks. I will add Luis Navia to my Amazon list. Still think that Diogenes found his power through his control over others…but I could be convinced otherwise. He was famous enough to have his name spoken of for thousands of years.
November 15, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Control no. He was never a control freak. If he wanted to, he could have commanded the largest cult Athens. He didn’t. He constantly rejected followers. I will grant he gained enormous satisfaction out of upsetting people though. This is one of his preserved fragments –
He was a unique individual. No official texts, no shrines, no official schools, nothing. Just reputation alone and still remembered – and being recognised again as one of histories most influential thinkers. He is even the centerpiece of Raphael’s School of Athens – everyone giving him a wide berth, probably because he smells like a sewer and doesn’t care.
November 15, 2011 at 4:02 pm
I used to be really smelly too… but my wife changed me. Was this the right thing for her to do? It has probably improved my earnings potential.
November 15, 2011 at 4:07 pm
that power, and a form of control. You of all people should recognise that.
November 15, 2011 at 4:09 pm
my italicized “is” disappeared from the comment.
It was to read “that is power”
November 16, 2011 at 10:57 am
It’s self-actualised mana. It is not power that seeks to impose itself or dictate. It is self-aware and enlightened “cheekiness” that sees through masks and laughs. Yes, it is power. But it is not despotic power.
November 15, 2011 at 5:23 am
Disparage New Wave, will you? Where’s my phone? I’m calling those conferences and warning them about you, damn it. How could you possibly resist New Wave? You MUST be an evil person after all! Those baboons over there, they were right all along, weren’t they? :O
November 15, 2011 at 9:15 am
Is deliberate mediocrity an intrinsic part of rejecting consumerism and existing norms? Punk must have represented these things for about 5 minutes. Then, like all nonconformist/outcast subcultures, became another category to conform to. I just don’t like punk because I like my music to sound good.
November 15, 2011 at 11:46 am
sbc: Is deliberate mediocrity an intrinsic part of rejecting consumerism and existing norms?
If you choose to look at it selectively, I guess you can come to that conclusion. All of these subcultures are subject to the tragedy of the commons and gravitation towards a lowest common denominator where they cease to even be a subculture.
I’ve just given you a brief historical snapshot. When it was “alive” it was not music or fashion – it was a state of mind. It burned brightly and briefly, and then the imitators took over – the latter is what I assume your opinion is based on, and if it is I agree.
At its height I compared it to Dada, but it also has roots in many aspects of the Enlightenment, especially folks like the Encyclopédistes, and can historically be traced 2,500 years back to the original Athenian Cynics. These are subversives of the worst kind – those that utterly reject bogus morality and irrational value systems and demand simplicity and reality. The underground literature of the ’60s is another example of a similar explosion.
You dismiss too readily. There are many resources for more info, but the flicks I recommended to Dallas are a good start.
November 15, 2011 at 11:25 am
New wave is weak tea and scones instead of bourbon and habaneros. It is for mere humans that like to be socially acceptable.
November 15, 2011 at 10:33 pm
You sir, have just assaulted me with your words! I’m telling the horde on you. 🙂
In the late 70s Toronto, the only socially acceptable music for those who hated mainstream ‘easy listening’ (gag), and/or who thought they were rebelling against their parents’ music, was metal and soft-yet-hard rock. Same coin, just FM radio rather than AM.
But when punk & new wave happened, more important than new wave’s social acceptability or not (not yet at that point), was the new wave music itself, before it got mainstreamized during the 80s. It was the happiest, wildest music I’d ever come across. And strange. No other genre had strange music like that.
I have to go now, to be a kid in the candy store of https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_New_Wave_bands_and_artists interspersed with youtube searches. To see if I can get some more nostalgia hits.
November 15, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Haha. Oh look, I am having a dig at the folks that drove New Wave, particularly the über-asshole Malcolm McLaren. They did deliberately water things down for consumption and then grew fat through exploiting it. There is absolutely no doubt there were wonderful things under the “new wave” brand – early B-52s, Devo (though they pre-date it significantly), Blondie etc. But there was also an avalanche of absolute crap – remember ABC? I still get overwhelmed with the impulse to break something whenever I hear them.
I am just more of an edge player – I firmly believe if you aren’t pushing some kind of new boundary, you should pack up and go home. That’s just me. I have no ill-will against your indulgences. These are just brief historical essays as an excuse to highlight some long lost gems.
November 16, 2011 at 3:43 am
I just took a listen to ABC on youtube, and I wasn’t impressed. Tears Are Not Enough has a mainstream sound to it. I have no memory of it, but if I heard it back then, I’d have thought it boring and not reserved a memory slot for it in my brain.
Could new wave be the love child of punk and glam? Here’s one of my favourite old glam songs by The Sweet. Let me know if I’m abusing this video embed thing, ok? It’s just too easy to get carried away with it.
Sweet – Ballroom blitz
November 16, 2011 at 11:52 am
I refuse to even embed this abomination –
ABC – Look of Love
November 16, 2011 at 11:58 am
Oh man! I forgot I even knew this song. Yikes! That is the worst video everrrrr. They are trying to be funny and they are just stupid (and I usually like stupid humor). What is with the guy eating the spaghetti?
November 16, 2011 at 11:00 am
Nectar: Could new wave be the love child of punk and glam?
Hammer.Nail.Head. The more banal aspects of both. I mean glam gave us new York Dolls and Twisted Sister – it is art in its own right when done well.
November 17, 2011 at 12:02 am
Oh ugh! That ABC band has a style that makes me homocidal. Murder-inducing mainstream melody. An “easy listening” sound that I revile. Icchhhh. Ptooey.
Give me the love child of punk and glam any day, but not if it’s lived its life fostered in some “middle of the road” family safe, bland white bread music that is guaranteed not make (new) waves, or to raise your blood pressure in an enjoyable way.
November 17, 2011 at 12:11 am
Yes. Now you know why that makes me feel irrational. Ordinary bad music you can ignore. It takes something special to be be like splinters under your nails. That is one of the most horrible things ever recorded.
November 15, 2011 at 11:56 am
bloody hell – Progressive rock 1968-1972.
fuck the rest.
November 15, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Who asked you you hippie?
November 16, 2011 at 6:29 am
Miss cunt sacha does not need to be asked. Now this is music – Krautrock 1971
The hippies were elsewhere. No hippies were listening to Krautrock.
Ash Ra Tempel – Amboss
November 16, 2011 at 6:30 am
November 16, 2011 at 6:32 am
okay Miss cunt sacha is also blond. How the fuck is everyone embedding?
November 16, 2011 at 7:25 am
Just use the url only, including the http part. No need for any thing. I also strip off extra youtube info (like indicating it’s in a playlist or fave list), by getting rid of the “&whatever” at the end of some video’s urls. Might still work with them though.
November 16, 2011 at 8:16 am
Now we’re talking!
November 16, 2011 at 8:17 am
Trying again
November 16, 2011 at 11:00 am
You just need the raw url now. “youtu.be” ones don’t work, only actual Youtube.com – if you secure browse, also need to remove the “s” from https.
November 16, 2011 at 6:38 am
one more from Ash Ra Tempel – 1971
November 15, 2011 at 10:44 pm
Now, here’s something beautiful, the genre of Gypsy punk.
Gogol Bordello – Start Wearing Purple
November 16, 2011 at 5:11 am
Classic B-52s. One of my favs.
November 16, 2011 at 7:19 am
Ah yeah, mine too. The original has nothing on their cover. Makes me bounce up and down in my chair when listening to it. 🙂
November 16, 2011 at 7:35 am
the thought of you bouncing makes me smile.
November 16, 2011 at 8:15 am
Ahhh, thank you. It makes everyone else give me a wide berth and ask if I’m alright. 😀
November 16, 2011 at 7:59 am
Here’s one from around that time period. I found it somewhere recently but can’t remember where. Hope it wasn’t on this blog or it’ll be redundant. Anyways, here’s…
Monks – Drugs In My Pocket
November 16, 2011 at 11:06 am
Oh The Monks. What are you starting? This would kill Ophelia –
November 17, 2011 at 12:06 am
Haven’t heard that one in years! Nice nostalgia even if it does give Ophelia palpitations.
November 16, 2011 at 11:24 pm
franc: my webstats produced an interesting search today ( and anyone else–have you also turned up similar results?)
After the usual hits for ‘hot monkey fucking” and “feminist breastfeeding” the search was this, verbatim:
“franc hoggle” detective.
Pogroms are fun aren’t they?
If you can explain the paste-bin to me, i will post it, or just do a post ‘about’ it, with a screen shot.
November 16, 2011 at 11:40 pm
pastebin.com – its a notepad that can save text permanently. If you make an account, you can update your notes too. Its simple and very useful.
This is the pick of my searches today –
toilet slavery 4
pzmyers baboons 3
what happens if you put your penis in a hoover 2
rebecca watson galileo was executed 2
November 18, 2011 at 3:50 pm
You fucking faggot… Detective was a killer Punk band in the period! They were the warm up for “The New Barbarians” in 80.
November 18, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Anyway, It’s a Holiday t00 drunk 2 fuck…