Yesterday’s derangement did find a climax eventually –
Not entirely sure what this is supposed to achieve. I think it’s supposed to be some fatal coup de grâce or something. It certainly takes the surreality to a new level. Alleged “freethinkers” so petty and spiteful, and so cocksure of their importance in the scheme of things, that they have a sincere belief that this kind of idiot Moral Majority style of reaction will achieve something other than making themselves look even more stupid.
They certainly love “hate”, especially when attributing it to me, it’s brought up no less than 100 times in the related thread. But they are going to run into problems when they directly smear me like this – and the main one is that what they claim I write and what I have actually written have virtually no relation to each other. Unfortunately, the mythical monstrous Franc that they have cultivated with such obsession is curiously absent in any of my actual written pieces. That is an ugly reality immediately apparent to anyone that actually does some reading here. The idea of the BigLie, repeating a nonsense falsehood ad nauseam until it gains a touch of truth, so beloved by the baboons behind the new Iron Curtain, simply does not have the same traction out in the real world.
The other problems is that what I have been documenting methodically is a catalog of “hate” being generated directly by Myers and the other detritus that also now calls “freethought”blogs home – who really are a Crisis Factory in the business of condemning and demonising anyone who deviates from their ideological purity, and genuinely attempting to destroy them personally and professionally in the process. There are numerous articles here, which can all be independently verified, as well as elsewhere – where the now trademarked process of shunning, shaming and blacklisting others, especially targeting women, is clearly documented.
Surely if I was so wrong about all of this, it would be an easy task to refute my arguments. But there has not been a single refutation, instead, all I have had is an endless list of personal insults and slanders. Basically, my crime is cataloging reprehensible behavior which is neither excusable nor defensible – and this is what infuriates Myers and his baboon hordes to the point of meltdown, and they stumble from new low to low. I’m calling out pigs for behaving like pigs. It’s largely mission accomplished.
The other absurdity is the repeated call to bring me to police attention, such as this one –
Uhuh, report me for what precisely you moron? For exposing charlatans in the new-skepticism? Please do. Unfortunately, cops in most first world jurisdictions still require evidence, and that’s where you start tripping over your shoelaces. No less than 50 other cretins similarly have chimed in. It’s monkey-see-monkey-do land, and a new level of dumbness that makes The Baboon King’s whining to the GAC look just a little less dumb. You folks simply have no shame or dignity.
What is finally clearly evident though is that there is no longer any masking of the fact that there is significant pocket of blatant fascism within the godless and skeptic communities and Myers has proclaimed himself its tinpot dictator. They peddle their own brand of noxious and bigoted ideology and they will tolerate no dissent to that ideology. As with all fascist ideologies, it is fragile and cannot support itself with inherent integrity – so it must be propped up by nonsense, deception and an endless list of scapegoats to be sacrificed on the ideological altar. They have shown that there are no means they will not stoop to to enforce that ideology – even if it entails the complete destruction of individuals within that community. The icing on the cake is then turning around and accusing critics of being “haters”. Bizarre, but nothing history has not shown us before. A comment left here previously –
Scary though. I mean, we say Watson, Benson, Myers, Laden, et al, are not to be trusted because they are mendacious ideological fanatics, and such base dissent and disagreement makes us haters, misogynists (though not all gun toting like this blog — tee hee), racists, and all kinds of evil badness.
They spew real hate, true bile, and explicit wishes for a variety of bad things to happen to us, including painful death, and yet still WE are the haters; we are the bad people; we are the silencers; we are the cancer in the bone….
This is nothing new, to quote Mein Kampf and Godwin be damned –
“When it brings him [the Jew] no such advantages he [the Jew] is the deadly enemy of enlightenment and hates all culture which is real culture as such.” — Mein Kampf, CHAPTER XI: RACE AND PEOPLE
It worked remarkably, framing the Jews as the real “haters” in that case. There really is no difference here. They are not freethinkers, not skeptics, not liberals , in fact they are nothing that is beneficial for our communities at all – they are just common as muck fascist thugs and you are not entitled to any say in the matter.
Related –
Pharyngula Endorsing Censorship
November 5, 2011 at 6:24 pm
So is there any truth to their claims that you have been spamming their blogs?
Although I don’t know you, it doesn’t seem in character for you. I sure would like to hear your side, though.
I left a comment in the FTB thread asking for evidence about how they “know” it’s you. Almost 200 posts later and not a single taker.
I also asked <a href="http://furiouspurpose.me/to-the-organisers-of-the-2012-global-atheist-convention/#comment-3629"here, since this person directly accuses you of sockpuppeting on the baboon board (and also claims that you definitely are going to GAC 2012 – don’t know how they know that), but again no response. Then again, that blog doesn’t seem to have many readers – maybe just someone trying to milk the drama for attention?
Anyway… From what I can gather, it seems like PZ just “said so” and they are all taking his word for it. For me, I wouldn’t trust that fat, bearded cunt as far as I could throw him.
November 5, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Damn… messed up link. You really need a preview button!
November 5, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Evidence and the baboons have never been on speaking terms. They flatter themselves if they think I “spam” – what is their definition of “spam” anyway? I have no control over others that may post my links there. It’s just the inherent paranoia you find in any gang of ideologues. The occupy a deluded space – they hear noises and bark at shadows. Notice how folks with clean consciences never have these problems? They all know more about me than I do anyway. And you keep forgetting they are in the business of creating demons for their own mythology – nothing I can do about that at all.
November 6, 2011 at 2:43 am
hahaha
The comments they accuse Franc of, don’t even sound like him.
November 6, 2011 at 6:56 am
sacah said:
“The comments they accuse Franc of, don’t even sound like him.”
That’s ’cause Teh Hoggle is so dastardly clever that he disguises himself.
In point of fact, I’m betting that Teh Hoggle is actually Steph (ooh it hurts itself when it rubs teh diminutive lotion on itself), Caine de Mal (or whatever it calls itself) and many others all gleefully socking away like a mad doxy WWII hen knitting scarves for the bad boy over seas!
Yikes! I say. Yikes.
November 6, 2011 at 6:56 am
Ooops!
sacha, not sacah.
Sorry toots!
😎
November 6, 2011 at 7:59 am
no problem, sweets
November 6, 2011 at 2:56 pm
OMG, I love being called “sweets”!
November 5, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Franc: let them notify the Police. Can’t wait for the now famous “Hahaha, trolled! U mad?”
Fuckers gonna be fuckers. They are just loosing all credibility.
November 5, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Told them as much. They are playing all the usual fear angles here and running out of ideas. The main thing is that it does show them up for the vulgar little fascist assholes that they really are deep down. They have no substance – it all has to be smear, intimidation and fear. They have nothing else. Now that the 2 top IQ quartiles have finally abandoned the baboon board in disgust, these are the morons that remain – the nastiest and most brutishly stupid.
November 6, 2011 at 12:42 am
Which 2 have abandoned ship?
November 6, 2011 at 12:51 am
Beavis and Butthead.
November 6, 2011 at 6:57 am
LOL!
November 7, 2011 at 6:51 pm
ARRGGGH!!!!
IT IS “Losing”, not “Loosing”!!!!
(Now you know what buttons to press in order to anger me.)
November 5, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Banning the bad man is the manufactured solution to the manufactured crisis. Reality need not apply.
November 5, 2011 at 9:33 pm
It’s really the lowest form of moral cowardice. The baboon has never had a leg to stand on and knows he never will. So he’s happy to clutch at whatever filth levers are available. Truly awful. What a fine representative for secularism. I place him on around the same place on the moral scale as Charles Manson – ideologically deranged, blindly self-believing, and if it would hurt me in any way, quite happy to sell his mother for petty revenge. Love to see what the GAC are saying about him in private.
November 6, 2011 at 9:30 am
Well, it doesn’t sound like PZ was able to get a for sure from them regarding any banning, so probably when they see that this was all over a figurative “if I were a girl, I’d kick you in the cunt” threat in comment areas, they’ll roll their eyes and not make a blacklist for the conference.
They probably won’t want to get involved at the least, but they might get a good laugh over reading the pertinent threads with the paranoid pharynguloid PZ crowd, and the comparatively non-violent Hoggle side.
I wrote a Figurative Threat Comparison over at ERV’s, but I’ll copy it here too:
I’d like to compare the figurative Hoggle cunt kick with the figurative Pharyngula Anynight Specials (sexual assault/rape using a dead porcupine or a sideways rusty knife). Just for LOLs and the bigger picture.
— Cunt kick (by another girl = weaker kick than by boy)
Pain: Pretty bad but the worst of it would be temporary followed by only bruise pain.
Injury: Bruising, swelling.
— Porcupine up ass
Pain: Are you fucking kidding me?
Injury: Assuming the hospital can remove the porcupine AND all of its spines from your innards, internal damage such as lacerations from the spiny animal and maybe infections.
— Sideways rusty knife up ass
Pain: Let’s just agree this a lot worse than a cunt kick, all right?
Injury: Probably death from bleeding, but if not, you’d have seriously damaged innards for the rest of your life.
So, which of the above figurative threats are more violent in nature?
November 6, 2011 at 3:34 am
spot on, Nectar,
Myers frightened his womendrones with his manifestation of an imaginary Franc, and he he had to be that white knight and save them from the monster he invented.
November 6, 2011 at 9:20 am
They pretty much built Franc up into a murderous raping terrorist. And his blogpost commentaries on their antics are seen as an obsession to them. Are they not reading for comprehension? How can Hoggle stop writing about them if they won’t stop doing stupid and mean things? That’s not obsession, that’s an ongoing story to report on.
November 6, 2011 at 1:49 am
Keep up the good work Franc. They have yet to address any of the issues you, James Onen, and many others have put forth. The most comical was Greg Laden’s drive by ad hominem attack on James Onen. What has really been brought to the fore in this episode is that many atheist are not skeptics or philosophers. Greta Christina, Ophelia, Jen Ouellette, and RW herself are journalist/communication folks of some sort. PZ, Laden, Gollum are basic scientist or professionally trained (MD). There seem to be no philosophers or even social scientist addressing the issues. So all they are left with is the ad himinum attack — which keeps escalating. Christopher Lasch would have a field day with the Narcissism apparent in this group. Lashing out when challenged on their behavior is classic symptomology. Again, keep up the work. It is needed.
November 6, 2011 at 7:05 am
bluejohn said:
“There seem to be no philosophers or even social scientist addressing the issues.”
One woman philosopher, Jean Kazez (http://kazez.blogspot.com/), briefly looked at Elevatorgate and some of its fallout. I have the impression that she was fairly quickly disgusted with the whole thing and left it all behind.
I kind of wish that Massimo Pigliucci (http://rationallyspeaking.blogspot.com/) would speak out on this whole issue of the fanaticism of Myers, Benson, Watson, Laden, et al, but I suspect he feels he has far more important, and socially relevant, fishies to fry.
November 7, 2011 at 7:26 am
Thanks for the heads-up about Kazez’s blog. A great article here. Easy to read and some food for thought, too.
A couple of choice quotes:
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November 7, 2011 at 5:15 pm
I lost most respect for Massimo Pigliucci with his simpering pandering accommodationism for faith, religion and the churches in general.
And his philosophy is execrable.
(You may get other mileage)
November 6, 2011 at 2:04 am
As a follower of PZ’s blog for 5 years, I am dismayed at the way he has, very quickly, turned into the very thing he purports to hate. He seems to be so far gone now as to be impervious to reason – any dissent is simply dismissed, usually with a snide insult. The guy has utterly lost the plot. It’s shocking.
November 6, 2011 at 2:18 am
Yeah, I am now at the point where I cannot think of a more reprehensible specimen of humanity, and that includes folks like Kim Jong-il and Idi Amin. Myers doesn’t walk in their shoes only through lack of opportunity – but he’d be there in a second given an amenable environment. He has no principles left he can sell.
November 7, 2011 at 5:21 pm
PZ — Super Villain!
November 6, 2011 at 12:06 pm
I, too, read PZ for several years and mostly enjoyed it until this year, when I began to sense that something was not quite right over there. This ridiculous Watson incident has caused me to lose all respect for Myers, whom I now find ridiculous and tyrannical, though his shit-for-brains acolytes are even worse – utterly despicable and irrational people. I have no interest whatsoever in atheist meetings if that’s the kind of people that are going to be attending. Really disappointing to see Myers turn out this way.
November 6, 2011 at 4:50 am
They’re talking about calling the cops on you now?
The Pharyngudrone are the Montreal Canadiens fans of atheism.
November 6, 2011 at 7:00 am
Ooh! I’m quoted again!
/blushes
On a more serious note, Franc said:
“That is an ugly reality immediately apparent to anyone that actually does some reading here.”
Well, yes and no.
It takes a certain amount of both intelligence and reading comprehension to understand many of your entertaining snarks, irony, sardonic juxtapositions, and hypotheticals; intelligence and reading comprehenson skills that most Pharyngulites, B&Wers, Zvannettes, etc., either do not have or selectively dismiss or ignore.
November 6, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Yes. As cynically low an estimate as I had of their intellect, even that was a vast overrestimation, Take CuntKick, which is amusing for 3 reasons –
1) It was fully pre-designed prunella bait
2) It took the reetards about 3 days to notice it, and it wasn’t even the prune that noticed
3) and fully a month later, it is still one of the fragile straws they cling to. It is like life support, or a cross they collectively bear.
I need to create a new offering for them. Obviously there is nothing else “real” to be found in my musings to date or they would have been all over it.
November 7, 2011 at 5:51 am
Repent Hoggle repent.
The great Watson will grant you absolution for your sins if only you bow down before her and her chosen prophet the great PZ.
The Watson loves you, as she loves all people except those who don’t agree with her. Her arms are open wide to receive your largesse.
Surrender and find comfort in unthinking obedience.
November 7, 2011 at 5:56 am
They seem to think that by exposing your name they’ll have accomplished something significant. Is there any particular reason why they think this? I ask this because in any case I highly doubt that you’ll stop doing what you’re doing even if your identity is unveiled. But let’s suppose their ultimate dream comes true – that you are arrested as a potential rapist/assaulter, let’s say, or banned from atheist events. All your criticisms of them would still hold – as they have not been successful in refuting any of your points thus far. So what’s the point of all this hoopla, exactly? Are they just bored?
November 7, 2011 at 6:37 am
James, My first suspicion is that the Flock actually believe that Franc is a threat to women and will be disruptive at the event. They reason they believe they’re doing this moral justice and protecting women is because unscrupulous people of influence — Myers, Zvan, Watson, Benson, et. al. — create and repeat slanderous lies to assassinate Franc’s character precisely because he makes criticisms of their behavior that they cannot defend.
November 7, 2011 at 8:05 am
I have had lengthy private discussions about Franc Hoggle with Ophelia Benson – and the sense I got about her anger over “cunt kick” was that she found it exceedingly obscene as an insult. I thought that was all it was. I did not know that she took it to be some kind of threat, or incitement, of violence against her. I am truly baffled as to how and why she and the rest at FTB might make such an insinuation from Franc’s comment.
Worse things have been said by various commenters on Pharyngula over the years but there was never such an escalation of hysteria. This can only mean that this attack on Franc is intended to have him look bad before his criticisms gain traction with a wider audience. I’m therefore inclined to agree with your suspicion, Overlord.
November 7, 2011 at 9:38 am
The million dollar question is, “When does enough become enough?”
My observation is that the stronger foothold and influence that victim feminism gets within godless communities, the more the shrieking hysteria escalates. The reality is that these people have zero tolerance for dissenting opinion — just as those who even hint at pro-life leanings are “anti-choice,” those who do not toe the victim feminist line are “anti-woman” — and the track record shows that they will stoop to unprecedented lows in order to silence and intimidate those people whom they don’t like.
My conscience does not permit me to tolerate the kind of intolerance that leads to unethical behavior. I should hope that most people in the godless communities share this in common with me.
November 7, 2011 at 11:17 am
James:
That comment needs to be saved for posterity. Succint and articulated clearly. Thank you, James, spot on.
November 7, 2011 at 11:45 am
James, as I’ve said from the very start, the cunt kick comment was engineered to see how hysterically Ophelia could shriek over trivia. Now you know. But really, how is it different to a kick in the balls? Which is a comedy standard. It’s not. Except in the minds of the deranged at the baboon board. Of course this is where the real hypocrisy kicks in as they do backflips of epistemic relativism, something Ophelia brags to be an expert in shooting down, claiming that what I said is different. They are complete intellectual degenerates.
This also highlights the idiocy of their position – this is the only snippet of information they use that can even remotely be corroborated: a throwaway flame bait comment. Wow. Enough for any judge. Everything beyond this is just hearsay fueled by chinese whispers.
So cunt kick is all they really have to fly with – this is another reason they cling to it with such desperation..
November 7, 2011 at 4:34 pm
James Onan says:
Granted it was only a sense, but if your assessment is correct, then what Ophelia has been writing over on the Elevatorgate Challenge #4 blog-post is quite prevaricatory and mendacious. Her argument, along with many others’, is entirely about safety, not obscenity.
November 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Stephen: Granted it was only a sense, but if your assessment is correct, then what Ophelia has been writing over on the Elevatorgate Challenge #4 blog-post is quite prevaricatory and mendacious. Her argument, along with many others’, is entirely about safety, not obscenity.
It’s not even that. It is pure demonisation and character destruction that, where possible, also entails professional destruction. They are creating a fabricated mythology. The list of targets thus far is enormous. She is just fine tuning the methodology. What used to be done only to males in professional circles, especially academia, is now being done to women without hesitation as well. ¡Viva la Revolución! McCarthyism, Stalinism, take your pick. It’s SSDD. I’m not beating my own drum, but it is at the point that any female (or male for that matter) in academia that would openly support me would be running serious risk. This is FTB style “free” speech. They use terror to stifle dissent.
November 7, 2011 at 11:38 am
This “exposure” nonsense is just typical PZ Myers bluster and bullshit. It is meant to instill fear – standard operating procedure for puffed up egomaniac tyrants to make you believe they can crush you like a bug should they so deign. The reality is that a) I don’t care and b) this all just makes Myers look like more of a malicious idiot than he already does.
Myers is clutching at straws. He has never been subjected to scrutiny and doesn’t like being shown to actually be naked.
November 7, 2011 at 12:30 pm
And further to that, these threats are identical to ones that have been used repeatedly, sometimes successfully, against women already – it is a direct attack on their professional careers and in some instances proved to be enough of a threat to silence those women altogether. It’s the new McCarthyism.
November 7, 2011 at 6:07 am
I understand that the PZ is being paid to speak at the revival in Oz.
Has his mistress also been paid to speak or will twatson have to spend her own money to get there?
November 7, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Watson is NOT on the agenda.
NOT invited.
Too many real[1] feminists are attending.
They would frighten her away in a trice.
The venue does have very adequate bar facilities, though…
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[1] At the last GAC, Taslima Nasrin spoke so movingly and genuinely about the horror that females must endure under religious oppression that there was not a dry eye in the house, including hers, and she receieved a standing ovation.
I expect that PZ, who was also applauding Taslima, also had a tear in his ocular orbits.
And, (unlike poor Beccy-babes), Taslima had two armed body-guards in front of the stage for, unlike poor dough-girl diddums, Taslima has had very real death-threats made against her by some very real Islamic terrorists.
Not some hallucinated dude in a lift accepting ‘no’ meekly.
Or are they now equivalent in Watson’s bizzarro-reverso-world?
And PZ flips off Dawkins by supporting the imagined one over the very real one?
PZ was there! How quickly he forgets. He must have breathed in too much anæsthetic whilst slaughtering thousands of zebra-fish for his much-delayed paper in Nature.
Oh, that’s right, he criticised a priest for a parable on torturing little fishies, didn’t he? Another nail in the coffin of integrity.
November 7, 2011 at 5:54 pm
MKG: Oh, that’s right, he criticised a priest for a parable on torturing little fishies, didn’t he? Another nail in the coffin of integrity.
On the basis of an unattributed image from an image sharing site of an alleged screencap from a non-existent facebook group. Confirmation-bias-r-us. The integrity chokes you up.
November 7, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Oh dear! If you don’t cease providing actual evidence for your skeptical claims, then you may be invited to speak at the GAC 2012 in place of those who steadfastly refuse to stump-up with same!
Imagine the headlines in The Age:
“Myers gets a Hoggling.
17 February, 2012. Melbourne.
The organizers of the Global Atheist Convention regret to announce the ‘voluntary’ withdrawal of Ass Prof Paul Myers from the event, due to entirely forseen circumstances.
The good news is that the now famous atheist, equity-feminist supporter and true skeptical analyst, the Australian Franc Hoggle will take his place on the stage.”
November 7, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Just in case anyone takes it the wrong way.
The reference to mistress in my question has no sexual connotations, it is used because it is the female version of master. I know nothing of the relationship between becky and myers (apart from the fact he appears to dote on her like a protective father) and wouldn’t wish to impune myers fidelity.
November 7, 2011 at 6:49 pm
They’ve got you running scared, eh?
Their lawyers are as imaginary as their 5-second drunken “potential” rapists who may or may not have had an Irish accent, but who DEFINITELY attended the lecture some 18 hours previously.
Hah!
November 7, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Running isn’t my forte 🙂
November 7, 2011 at 7:42 am
Hey… anyone any good with photoshop? 😉
November 7, 2011 at 6:20 pm
No need.
I’m sure that Ophelia et alia already have had theirs’ for years, now.
November 7, 2011 at 11:32 am
Perhaps the GAC organisers should be warned about Hitch too. Clearly he is a misogynist http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/01/hitchens200701, and adores setting out bait, is relentless in showing the frauds for what they are, with documented proof, and will discuss the same topic until there isn’t a topic to discuss, so I suppose he is also obsessive.
*For those that do not know me, I am madly in love with Christopher Hitchens and have been for a very long time. *swoon*
No Franc, you are not Hitch, not even close, so don’t even murmur a sound towards me. Still love you though.
November 7, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Christopher is ‘slated’ to be on the bill of fare (fair?) at the GAC with the other 3 hoarse-men* but, for him, next year is a long time away.
Who knows?
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* Yeah, I know. Bad taste and all…
November 7, 2011 at 6:31 pm
You can only dream about Hitch tearing Myers a new one about his conflation of idiot politics and skepticism/godlessness. Wouldn’t even happen if he was in full health, never did waste time on fleas.
November 7, 2011 at 6:34 pm
No wonder PZ flees!
November 7, 2011 at 9:12 pm
mmmmmmm did someone say dream about Hitch?
Perhaps he will visit again tonight. sweet dreams.