“There are no problems, only solutions.” — John Lennon
Women that deviate from orthodox ideology pose a particular conundrum for the Watsonistas. Their denied sexism leaks. They are simply incapable of dealing with women in the manner that they deal with men – open abuse and ridicule of genitalia and sexual inadequacy – so there is an equality fail. No matter, where there’s a will, there’s a way.
Here is a nice example of what gets done to female traitors, in this case by the baboon tag team of The Naked Emperor and Mr. Mackey.
A female community member posted an item on ‘tardbook (login required) after committing an unpeakable heresy – independently verifying some facts about the Elevatorgate fairy tale. After seeing an absurd claim that Irish hotel rooms don’t even have coffee1 (amongst other idiocies) on one of the baboon board’s affiliate blogs get swallowed unquestioningly, she actually checked. And, of course, found the absurdity to be what it was – absurd.
I would be lying if I said the response was surprising. If anything, it merely highlights the lather-rinse-repeat routine that the baboons rely on in situations where they have no conventional, civilised dialectic rebuttal (ie. all of the time). They attacked the person in a manner designed to damage –
This kind of attack vector, the implication of mental dysfunction, is not only not new, it is in fact so banal as to deserve a new, new atheist / new pseudo-skeptic Standard Operating Procedures manual entry. It is a preferred first option of attack against all uppity and independent women, and was used with gay abandon in the TamTamPamela lynching as a fairly recent unrelated example. In fact I’ll just quote what I wrote on that incident –
All of the religions, even buddhism, when faced with behaviour that is beyond the limits of their comprehension, and therefore alien and an aberration, conjure up demons and explain it all away as demonic possession. Atheists have no supernatural horde to summon at their convenience. It matters not. Who needs them when you have neurology and psychiatry? This is becoming far too regular an occurance4. Though they have no gods, they still have the ancestral urges to demonise the other which they are incapable of comprehending by implying neurological disorder. It is lame. It is pseudo-religious derangement. […]
4 – It is actually appalling how often this happens – the more you look for it the more you will see it. Some atheist Dunning-Krugerite up on a pedestal condemning someone over some kind of, invariably, moral shortcoming, and for lack of coherent reasoning to explain their positions, will fall back to accusations of neurological disorder. It is pretty disgusting. The godless equivalent of “sorceror” or “witch”.
Both Laden and Myers and the baboon hordes that yap-yap at their heels, the prune faced cunt Benson’s and the Zvan’s, though have taken these kinds of accusations beyond simple isolated slurs and elevated them to their own version of slut shaming – a new kind of secular shunning designed for maximum impact and damage, especially where possible, damage to professional reputations. The process is the same as that which has been used to destroy males in academia for close to half a century, now refined to target women that are disobedient and deviate from official dogma.
These are the brave and gallant white knights eternally riding to the rescue of poor, innocent little Becky Watson. Real “men” – more like hyenas that isolate wounded animals that display weakness. Both Myers and Laden know that the woman they are responding to has previously displayed vulnerability after earlier abuses from them. Myers via a now deleted Pharyngula wiki page2 dedicated to dragging her whole life through the mud, and Laden on his FTB blog. Knowledge of this weakness has emboldened them to attack her outside the safety of their lairs.
Myers in particular exemplifies this hyena-like behaviour. He no longer ventures into blogs where he knows people will stand up to him and hold their ground. He realises it will be no contest. Instead, he lurks in the shadows like a common bully and waits for one of the kids to show they feel vulnerable – then he pounces, as he did in the case of Adrienne Myers (no relation). Though Adrienne has been blogging about Watson’s idiocy for longer than I have, Myers was never to be seen. Until Adrienne displayed a vulnerable moment – that’s when he pounced. What a hero. What a man’s man. Wait for weakness, then spray the territory as conquered.
What absolute jaw-dropping hypocrisy. It beggars belief. These baboons, and virtually everyone associated with freefromthoughtblogs, relentlessly hurl accusations of sexism, misogyny, rape apologetics, advocacy of gender violence at people like me, and add epithets like gender traitor and collaborator for the girls, all without providing a single example of actual atheist misogyny where women have actually been harrassed or attacked in a manner endorsed by the movement – which is what their accusations necessitate. These same baboons then mount relentless harassment and vilification assaults against women within the movement on the grounds of “fighting sexism” to intimidate them into silence, drive them away from the movement and derail their professional careers…
Irony surrenders.
1 -Made by another imbecile collecting frequent flyer miles, Jason Thibeault, who insists on conflating anyone who criticises Becky with Obama birthers and 9/11 conspiracists and worse.
2 – Note the wording, “This post has been removed due to quote-mining and potentially defamatory material”. This is the official Wikia version of the reasons for the deletion, retrievable from google cache. It has been replaced by the baboons with a far more palatable version.
October 27, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Eh, not surprising. The very first response I’ve had from Myers on his blog after the shitstorm started was “You are as deranged as D. Byron”.
Very convenient tactic. Very stupid, too…
October 27, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Yeah. Pick a, b, or c –
a) outright abuse and tiny penis gibes
b) outright unsubstantiated nonsense and/or deliberate deception, or
c) trite dismissal, a la Marie Antoinette – “so let them eat cake”
There are no other tricks in the bag.
October 28, 2011 at 12:15 am
It’s a tactic that requires zero thought and even less effort. A compiled list of canned Pharongoloid one-liners might look something like this (not verbatim)…
“I’m worried about you.”
“You’re one sick puppy. Seek psychiatric help.”
“You’re as deranged as D[avid] Byron.”
“Keep hoggling, loser.”
“What a sad, hollow life you must lead.”
“_______, fuck off.”
“You’re a misogynistic piece of scum”
“What a vile piece of shit you are”
“You’re a horrible horrible person and I find it very very scary that anyone on the street could be someone like you.”
“You’re an empty monster, a bag of sociopathic ugliness.”
“You’re a liar.”
“You’re a troll.”
“You’re a waste of skin.”
These from a single comments thread! Keepin’ it classy as always.
October 28, 2011 at 12:16 am
Sorry, *many of* these from a single thread.
October 28, 2011 at 12:41 am
It’s quite unbelievable. These Pharyngudroids would fail a Turing test for AI. Just like creationists. And unlike MRAs.
October 28, 2011 at 1:20 am
HAHA! I didn’t think about it that way, but they sure would. I should craft a Pharyngula bot and put it in IRC, see how long it lasts until it gets banned for being a douche.
October 28, 2011 at 1:41 am
Surprising about the psychiatric part, as even words like “crazy” and “lame” are now politically incorrect–because “crazy” only has one definition (mentally ill) and back in the 1200s “lame” used to mean crippled.
October 28, 2011 at 1:51 am
@SBC – reread the implications. Both Myers and Laden imply this stupid girl is not in possession of her senses. She is hysterical, bound to her having a womb. She needs some sleeping salts to calm her down. No sensible subordinate gender could ever disagree. You need white knights like this you cunt cripple.
October 29, 2011 at 12:17 pm
That’s it! I did not know my problem was that I was a cunt cripple.
Good to know!
And I’d opt out of having a womb if it were up to me. Would I still be hysterical then?
October 28, 2011 at 12:11 am
Jason Thibeault is a creationist sockpuppet. There can be no other explanation for the presence of someone so wantonly cretinous in the skeptic movement.
October 28, 2011 at 1:21 pm
I love it. Given sufficient rambling time, he would end up claiming I killed JFK, because I hate freedom.
October 28, 2011 at 12:50 am
What can I say? A simple fact checking, that’s it. And yes, attacking other women in a manner that actually makes women go “wow, guys are attacking women that dare to fact check Rebecca? And in a way I can’t imagine the skepchicks approving of?” (until now that is). That the skepchicks are supportive of this kind of attack on their fellow women shows that SOME women are deserving of being treated in a respectful manner by their fellows in the skeptic community…but OTHERS (aka nonskepchicks) are not. Yes there is a problem, a big problem, for women in the skeptic movement. PZ leads the way, in telling women HOW they should behave, and if they don’t he’s going to put them in their place. In a very special PZ way. Not in any way remembering, these are women, and he should treat them in a “different” way.. because they are a minority…even if their name isn’t Rebecca Watson.
October 29, 2011 at 11:07 am
The Skepchicks have always treated women who are not in their circle of the “popular girls” in high school with malice, that is, unless you could do something for them.
October 28, 2011 at 4:37 am
I think its quite amazing that Greg Moron decided to handle the allegedly-runaway friend-feed this way. tardbook friends most of whom arent really friends.. what can you say. He could have de-friended, or even ‘Hidden’. Nope. Got to have some drama. some shaming. How did these morons get semi-popular? (rhetorical Q)
Franc, your observation from way back is too on-the-money.
October 28, 2011 at 4:46 am
Hey thanks for the links! My site is getting SWAMPED with hits! Imma take the weekend off now!
October 28, 2011 at 6:33 am
Right on time for the weekend splurge, eh? Good for you, don’t spend it all in one place.
October 28, 2011 at 7:48 am
Does this mean you can get off the fucking dole and stop pretending you’re not trailer trash like you accuse your neighbors of being? Because if all it takes is a dollar to get you to stop THAT crap, I’ll send you one, and I won’t even make you dance for it.
October 28, 2011 at 8:09 am
I’ll double your contribution just to make sure he doesn’t dance. I bet he claps on 1 and 3 instead of 2 and 4. (I totally stole that from Mr. Deity).
October 28, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Be honest Greg. You’re into psychological S&M degradation and cuckolding. You crack a massive boner at people thinking you’re a mindless, submissive idiot. The only question is how do you get all the cum out of your keyboard and keep it functional?
I am sorry I don’t pay more attention to you, but really, in the imbecile microcosm, you are only a bit player, and an ineffectual one at that. Did that make you cream your Walmart jeans?
October 28, 2011 at 7:50 am
It’s interesting that you have this strange parallel with Christianity in the atheist community where a cult has developed around a tale of martyrdom, which by the day becomes more dubious. I won’t be surprised if these people are producing “The Passion of Rebecca Watson” within the next few years.
October 28, 2011 at 8:12 am
You’re a little late on that TylerD. See PZ’s post about the ‘secret’ collection plate they’re passing around to Watson for her troubles and tribulations. Gifts encouraged for her pirate’s ‘treasure chest’. I’m sure cash is, of course, always accepted.
Alas, there’s money in being Watson, but those who call her out, well, that costs money.
It’s a strange, strange world I’m living in these days.
By strange, of course, I mean cult-like. Perhaps I’m doing something wrong.
October 28, 2011 at 9:11 am
Eh, if Watson can get some dough out of this, why not? As long as it’s not MY dough, I don’t give a flying fuck.
That’s less beer money for Myers et sa clique de babouins*.
But it sure looks cultish.
*In case you wonder, I used that French term to describe Myers’ followers to my sister on FB, and Miranda decided she would use that from now on to describe the Pharyngulites. And since I’m prone to group-think and peer validation, I agree with her. 🙂
October 28, 2011 at 1:24 pm
You’re a little late on that TylerD. See PZ’s post about the ‘secret’ collection plate they’re passing around to Watson for her troubles and tribulations.
Nooo…. Oh dear. Of course, it’s a case of evidence or STFU. Link?
October 29, 2011 at 12:42 pm
here is the link for the pudgy pink entitled princess’ collection plate:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/10/24/shhhits-supposed-to-be-a-secwet/
October 28, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Tyler, they more than satisfy the common cult status criteria.
October 31, 2011 at 10:40 pm
All of this banter is too obscure for me.
What needs to be said is that the people asserting that EG was asking Rebecca if he could have access to her vagina by using the word “coffee” are complete fucking morons. There is no intelligent validity in that assertion, it is simply idiocy.
Now that I have made that clear maybe finally an intelligent discussion can be made about Watsons “discomfort.”
November 1, 2011 at 12:59 am
You are right, and that actually has been said many times. Unfortunately those saying it are harassed, bullied, and slandered with “innocuous” labels ranging from sexist to rape apologist.
EG was the proverbial last straw and the resentment which exploded as a result still burns incandescent. This resentment is not new, I think, but has in fact been dormant but slowly building in the communities for a long time. It’s my opinion that the blame can be placed largely upon the antisocial behavior exhibited by those whom we here affectionately call the “baboons.” A reasonable case for simply ignoring them as we have done I don’t believe exists anymore.
The point is, although you’re right, the scope of this so-called banter has long since expanded far beyond coffee and elevators.
November 1, 2011 at 12:37 pm
“Intelligent” and “discussion” have no place in anything Pharyngudrone/Skepchick generated. It is a CULT. It is just recycling dogma and deception for political gain and no more, and like any good religion it requires victims to feed off.