Usually, when you talk about the intellectual incoherence of Watsonistas to those that are unfamiliar with the Borg-like horde, they are naturally skeptical and are prone to assume you exaggerate.
I wish it were true. But it’s not. Yes they are that incoherent. No, you are not likely to find any kind of relevant argument in any of their babbling. No, they are not really indistinguishable from one another either. Yes they are legion and yes, they have frequent flyers that throw regular flouncy fits after a final parting insult, swearing never to return, only to be back a few days later regurgitating the same gibberish.
So for the unbelievers, I have collated ~3 months worth of Watsonista commentary deposited right here, discarding only the completely incomprehensible mouth-full-of-baked-beans-sneeze type gibberish (which is all still here if you really want to look for it).
What is immediately apparent is that nowhere, in any of it, is there even a vestige of conventional argument. Nothing. The closest any have come to that is questioning the actual criminality of Becky’s abuses at Randi.org – which is easily dismissed by simply consulting publicly posted criminal codes that are freely available in any western world jurisdiction. It is a non-argument that folks with any degree of self-respect would look up for themselves prior to making an issue of. Other than that, it’s just handfuls of dung being thrown from high on a lofty pedestal by Dunning-Krugerites.
You’d think someone as stupid, insane and rape-loving as myself would be a sitting duck to pick apart without having to use filth as a first resort. It’s repeated ad nasueam that I am all of the above. Yet, there has been no actual argument whatsoever. What sort of conclusions are you supposed to draw about Watsonista intellectual prowess from that? I’ll leave that to you to work out for yourself.
The notable exception in this dumbness is perhaps the one that pushes the limits of batshittery the furthest – Skeptifem. Of all of the baboons, she stands out as the only one that has any degree of personal autonomy. No wonder even the baboons treat her as an outsider – no matter how deranged her arguments may be, they are her arguments, arrived at using her own intellect, under her own head of steam. For that she is to be commended. She is a mammal, not a hive insect. In that regard she is a more fundamentally honest and decent a human being than any of the Watsonistas can ever hope to be, especially the imbeciles that call Pharyngula home.
So below is the collective baboon output. Caution: you may want a boiler suit and some goggles before proceeding. It’s pretty overwhelming. In marked contrast to how Watsonistas use the quotes of others, this is provided entirely undoctored, unedited and as exactly the same dung ball that left the baboon’s hand and linked back to the original threads for the sake of original context (which is the Watsonistas worst enemy), but generally there is no context – it’s just baboon dung. The punchline to all of this dumbness is that some of the imbeciles below are currently campaigning at freefromthought blogs to launch actions to shut down other dissenting blogs on the grounds of “abusiveness”. Seriously (see end of link).
hairy arsed bloke |
Submitted on 2011/07/11 at 9:05 pm
Hey, shithead, what gives you the right to say what people shouldn’t and shouldn’t put up with? There are plenty of people who try and excuse the most violent and disgusting racism the same way. All your well turned phrases can’t hide your lack of even basic good manners, let alone empathy. Do you feel that threatened? |
Scott fanetti |
Submitted on 2011/07/11 at 11:04 pm
Dude – you are an idiot. Quit being that way. |
Ericsson |
Submitted on 2011/07/27 at 10:05 pm
I suppose this might be considered funny. If your sense of humor is about as advanced as that of a drunk frat guy with a learning disability, that is. |
Chrissie |
Submitted on 2011/07/27 at 10:18 pm
Who are you? |
ChasCPeterson |
Submitted on 2011/07/27 at 10:19 pm
yeah, what a poopyhead!!!!! |
Scanadensis |
Submitted on 2011/07/27 at 11:05 pm
Someone’s got their panties in a twist, and it’s you. |
Submitted on 2011/07/28 at 1:33 am
Which is all relevant…how? Nobody has said, “you must believe us, because our traffic is so vast”. What you’ve done is a classic example of a strawman argument, complete with charts and tables, all mustered to skewer an argument nobody has made…and then to cap it all off, you tag it with the labels “sluttery” and “Babylonian whores”. We’re laughing at you, guy. I thought you’d hit the nadir before, but you just keep digging. |
Tony |
Submitted on 2011/08/01 at 5:35 pm
franchoggle says: Don’t be so modest. Your gun-toting mysoginist, and breathtakingly brainless and boring blog has been doing a great job at making atheists look like total nobs for a long time. Give yourself some credit, franc! |
Michael |
Submitted on 2011/08/18 at 3:06 pm
Oh my dear sweet jebus. You sad, sad, silly little excuse for a man. Let it go, Hoggle. All I see is the shrill rantings of a obsessive, fixated basket case. Just let it go and try to reclaim some shreds of your dignity |
Janice |
Submitted on 2011/08/18 at 10:28 pm
Is your cousin David Mabus? |
Valkyrie607 |
Submitted on 2011/08/19 at 2:31 am
New word: “To hoggle,” to hate-masturbate. And to publicize your hate-masturbation session as if you’re striking some kind of grand blow against “Neo-Puritan Neo-Nazis” Hilarious, thanks for the neologism! |
Anne Marie |
Submitted on 2011/08/19 at 5:53 am | In reply to franc hoggle.
You’re pathetic. |
Ben Fenton |
Submitted on 2011/08/21 at 3:55 pm
Aww poor franc hoggle has to put effort into being a human. Poor baby can’t abuse women |
Ben Fenton |
Submitted on 2011/08/21 at 6:49 pm | In reply to franc hoggle.
“Just linked her as an example of someone who won’t let Myers get away with nonsense. ” And you’re right about the article, any woman who raises issues about being raped or cat-called on a regular basis is just trying to cut your balls off. I’m going to guess you don’t get laid without paying for it too often. As evidence I’d cite the frothing-at-the-hysterical-mouth anger you have towards unsubmissive women. It’s like watching a spoiled two year old who just learned that their sister shit in their toybox. |
Foster Disbelief |
Submitted on 2011/08/24 at 1:00 am
Wow. Franc, you are such a sad, sad little man. I came here to flame you. The first post of yours I read pissed me off, and I came to argue. Then I saw this post, and saw that picture. Now I honestly just feel sorry for you. I’m not sure if you need to wake up or grow up, but I hope that you do either, before it is too late. You don’t piss me off anymore. Your posts don’t make me angry. Just sad. So very sad. |
Michael |
Submitted on 2011/09/12 at 11:17 pm | In reply to franc hoggle.
There you go again Hoggle. Shrill, obsessive, wiltingly puerile, grinding your blunt little axe and putting your flaccidity on full view of the Internet. Paid any prostitutes to watch you have an angry wank recently? |
Michael |
Submitted on 2011/09/13 at 1:56 pm | In reply to franc hoggle.
Dear me, you poor frustrated little man. I couldn’t give a toss – unlike you – where you put your angry inch. I’m glad, really happy for you, that you are liberated enough, man enough, enlightened enough, sophisticated enough, frustrated enough, to pay someone to watch you have a wee strop. I am merely embarrassed for you, but that’s perhaps a waste of emotion as your superior sensibilities have clearly evolved beyond that. So wank away Hoggle, wank with my blessings, and that includes your obsessive-compulsive Watson-wanking articles like this. ps – look up the definition of ad ‘himinem’ before you use it. You may have evolved beyond any intellectual shame but it still helps to understand the phrase you’re mangling |
Michael |
Submitted on 2011/09/13 at 3:02 pm | In reply to franc hoggle.
ad ‘himinem’ (you’re so witty!) – yes, you don’t understand the phrase you derived it from do you? |
aaron |
Submitted on 2011/09/19 at 2:55 pm | In reply to John Greg.
Hmm. Interesting. Just taking a peek from over from skepticblog, curious to see what goes on behind the scenes with these anti-RW loons. Fun stuff. Hi John D! Hi sacha! Hi John Greg! You guys are a hoot! A HOOT! Don’t ever stop, you are doing a service for all mankind. Bless your crazy brains. This is embarrassing. |
Guest |
Submitted on 2011/09/20 at 3:38 am | In reply to John Greg.
Hey guys, what’s going on in here? Hey, you’re a borderline hate group huh? Nothing but cranky codswallop from cranky ideologues. |
Guest |
Submitted on 2011/09/20 at 6:13 am | In reply to John Greg.
Astrokid, not really interested in talking, just here to gawk and ridicule. We’ve all seen what talking with you people accomplishes. |
Jeremy |
Submitted on 2011/09/20 at 7:42 am | In reply to John Greg.
Holy shit, how is your “dissatisfaction” not visible? From ANYWHERE!!!? All you guys do is make noise and rattle your sabers. You dicks are so loud and obnoxious you are visible from space! FAIL! Novella has DENIED your dumping request. What part of REQUEST DENIED do you dummies not comprehend. Your tone, your toxicity, your hatred; It isn’t going to persuade anyone. So much fury, so much rage from such a little incestuous group of jerks. Your astro-turfing over there isn’t working out as well as you’d like to pretend. |
Confess |
Submitted on 2011/09/21 at 9:06 am | In reply to franc hoggle.
So is this a site for teenage skeptics or something? The comments read a lot like jr. high bickering. |
Confess |
Submitted on 2011/09/21 at 9:07 am | In reply to John D.
“fighting against the pseudo-religious fembot hoard” Oh, cool. Dittoheads! Do you have the femanazi trading cards? |
Matthew Miller facebook.com/profile.php?id=1178810793 |
Submitted on 2011/09/21 at 11:54 pm | In reply to Jeremy.
Hoggle, You might have better luck with women if you didn’t hate them so much. Blaming your cute straw man (woman) image of feminism for your lack of romantic success isn’t going to help. |
Matthew Miller blog.matthewmiller.net |
Submitted on 2011/09/22 at 12:33 am
“Elevatorgate has now become the gender feminist version of the Jyllands-Posten cartoons.” I find your take on the incident to be amusing. Most the commentary I’ve read depicts the incident as regrettable, overly dramatic and embarrassing. It seems everyone who was involved is trying to put it behind them as an error, except you. If not for your need to cling to the incident as a talisman justifying your hatred of Watson, it would already be fading from memory. |
Sam Strauss |
Submitted on 2011/09/22 at 1:53 am
Quack quack quack quack quack Watsonistas. Quack quack quack, PZ Myers. SQWAK!!! Quack, quack quack quack. Quack quack quack. Quack psychopath quack quack quack. Quack quack quack, Rebecca Watson, QUACK!!! QUACK QUACK QUACK!!! Becky quack quack! Quack ad nauseam, ad infinitum. |
Matthew Miller blog.matthewmiller.net |
Submitted on 2011/09/22 at 2:01 am | In reply to franc hoggle.
You’re a catty one, aren’t you? You want some cream to go with your comments? You’re acting more like a particularly annoying 13 year old girl than an adult of any gender. |
Matthew Miller blog.matthewmiller.net |
Submitted on 2011/09/22 at 2:06 am | In reply to franc hoggle.
Do you honestly think cracks like that earn you any respect, or are you a closeted Watson fan trying to make her critics look like a gaggle of juvenile, misogynistic 12 year olds? Seriously, how old are you? |
Matthew Miller blog.matthewmiller.net |
Submitted on 2011/09/22 at 2:29 am | In reply to franc hoggle.
Now it all becomes clear. I’m not dealing with adults, but children exploiting the fact that “On the Internet no one knows that you’re a dog.” You honestly think grade school insults constitute a valid way of expressing your views. The mere fact that I’m here, posting a reply to your misogynistic drivel, is all the victory you need. You successfully fooled me into replying as if your comments deserved a modicum of respect or the courtesy of discussion. |
aaron |
Submitted on 2011/09/22 at 4:46 am | In reply to Anne Marie.
Rape jokes, eh? You can go fuck yourself frank hoggle. |
aaron |
Submitted on 2011/09/22 at 5:16 am | In reply to John Greg.
Take a look around you buddy. This is the shit you are associating with. This is the bare face of franc hoggle, this is who he really is. He thinks rape is funny. |
M. |
Submitted on 2011/09/30 at 10:29 am
Interesting blog. I have seen stalker blogs before, and yours is only one step removed. The insecurity is so thick you can almost cut it with a knife – for goodness, sake, look at the number of grade-school insults in the “tags” that supposedly describe this post. And all the anger over a “guys, don’t do that” comment in a frickin’ Internet video. I suggest therapy, dude. |
primevilkneivel |
Submitted on 2011/09/30 at 12:40 pm
So this is what an orgy of self important loathing looks like! Cool, well off to fulfilling things in life, enjoy your co-dependence! |
Crissa crissa.twu.net/ |
Submitted on 2011/09/30 at 3:41 pm
You’re pretty creepy, posting this. It’s not topical, nor is it a criminal issue. Why would you post it? |
franklinpercival franklinpercival.wordpress.com |
Submitted on 2011/09/30 at 6:11 pm
I’ll bet you could manage even to pull the wings off a fly if you had half a dozen of your mates handy to hold it down. |
Pike Rust |
Submitted on 2011/09/30 at 8:24 pm
Sad, sad, sad, What a heap of mouse droppings. |
An Observer |
Submitted on 2011/09/30 at 11:12 pm
You people are pathetic. Get a life. |
Dan |
Submitted on 2011/10/01 at 1:27 am
I’m one of those who think elevator gate was a non-incident. Someone did something that was creepy to someone else, other person brought it up. Shoulda been the end, but nosy drama whores in the community blew it out of proportion. The owner of this blog… is a driveling drama whore. There’s nothing but butthurt whining over things they aren’t even personally involved with. Go do something productive, play outside, get medicated, go to an anger management course, become a Christian so we don’t have to tolerate you in our community. Thanks. |
Dan |
Submitted on 2011/10/01 at 1:37 am
Ewwww this entire blog looks like angry losers on the outside, looking in. Who cares if what PZ wrote was valid or not? You’re spending more time complaining than he did writing. Go be productive; help the community by doing something good, rather than behaving like an infant in soiled diapers. |
Dan |
Submitted on 2011/10/01 at 1:57 am
Sorry loser, I know exposing your stupidity will only make you more defensive. Anger whores live on humiliation. I’m doing something productive by asking you to stop making our community look like whining basement dwellers, using the only language you understand. Bitching. This is my last post. Enjoy your productive days spent thinking about how much you hate people part of your own same, small cause. |
Just Amazed |
Submitted on 2011/10/01 at 7:49 am
Ok, after reading this I came up with a more appropriate name for the blog: “It Puts the Lotion on Its Skin: frightening ramblings from the twisted mind of Jard Laughner’s slightly more functional older brother.” Obsession isn’t a good thing, bruh. |
Just Amazed |
Submitted on 2011/10/01 at 12:14 pm | In reply to franc hoggle.
Wow. In addition to being blindly obsessed with Watson, you’re a shitty comment troll on your own blog. The source of the “inadequate male” rage is becoming clear. And though this is quite far down on the list of “shit you need to learn,” there’s a difference between offering a witty comeback and giving into the pathetic impulse to just get in the last word on the internet. You’re clearly one of those dullards that thinks posting last means you’ve accomplished something. I preemptively submit your response to this post as evidence of that phenomenon. |
Just Amazed |
Submitted on 2011/10/02 at 12:52 pm | In reply to franc hoggle.
That was a pretty impressive failure on a number of levels. First, I’m not demanding or even requesting a civil response from you. I know that even if you were capable of forming such thoughts, your meager writing skills would forestall any expression of such in these comments. If you had managed something even marginally witty, that would have been something. But great work. POOP FUNNY, HAHAHA. Good stuff. Somewhere a sixth grader is taking notes, well played, sir. Oh, and “baboon boy,” what a stroke of genius. Clearly nothing will stop your meteor from rising. Again, you’re just a pissy, angry idiot that spends a disturbing amount of time harassing a woman via the internet. |
aaron |
Submitted on 2011/10/04 at 5:06 pm | In reply to franc hoggle.
“It just oozes unpleasantness and spite in a very failed attempt to be amusing” Say, isn’t that your deal franc hoggle? |
aaron |
Submitted on 2011/10/05 at 7:09 am | In reply to franc hoggle.
^Citation needed. Not sure what you’re on about, as I am not this person on these vegan lovers things. Links? Is this how you spend your time? Looking up your guests’ IPs and constructing wonderfully elaborate webs and stories about them? That’s some serious mental malfunctioning you are having, but hey, who am I talking to? It’s franc hoggle! The king of mental disorders! The man who defines cyberstalking and internet harassment, and mentally deranged obsessions! Nice touch with the “Hi! I’m a toilet slave!” nick, really demonstrates the level you operate on |
aaron |
Submitted on 2011/10/05 at 7:52 am | In reply to Arguments schmarguments: Rebecca Watson’s “random sample” of persecutors happens to be me. « The Rhetorical Question.
Aww, is that Adrienne Myers chiming in on the hoggle’s internet diarrhea? How tremendously fitting |
Michael |
Submitted on 2011/10/10 at 11:58 pm
Oh Franc. Still hatin’ on eh? Still with the squealing and stamping and squawking at that mean ol’ PZ and that woman, whatsername, who said being hit on in elevators made her uncomfortable? |
Michael |
Submitted on 2011/10/11 at 12:29 am | In reply to franc hoggle.
Good god, you replied in five minutes. Obsessive much? |
Submitted on 2011/10/16 at 9:00 pm | In reply to franc hoggle.
I take it “Watsonista” is supposedly another funny neologism? (Would that make you an ERVist?) |
Addendum –
Almost forgot about the losers I’ve had to ban, like Leland Jory, the über-toilet slave with the honour of being the first non-christian to try shut this place down via spurious complaint generation. Leland, probably the record holder for saying nothing with maximum verbosity, doesn’t like having his nose rubbed in his own doo-d00.
ajollynerd
ajollynerd.wordpress.comSubmitted on 2011/07/29 at 12:44 am | In reply to Phil Giordana, FCD.
@franc: Oh, believe me, the adjective I’d use to describe your writing style would definitely not be “subtle”. You’re about as subtle as a pound of C4.
One thing I have noticed about your writing style is its similarity to a couple of other people’s, like Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh.
So I figured I’d humour you and read the posts leading up to this point (so you wouldn’t have to change the level of stupid you regularly write at). I’ve noticed a profound lack of one thing in your posts: factual information. You love to go off on these rants, yet you post no facts (except for web metrics, which say precisely nothing relevant). You set up straw men (straw people?) one after another, and only end up sounding like a right-wing nut job.
I especially like the part where you play the “poor, persecuted white guy” card. Why is it so hard for you (and your entourage) to accept the fact that, in this one instance, this woman might have actually felt a negative emotion? More importantly, why is it so hard for you to a) accept that it was her right to feel whatever she felt, b) accept that it was her right to blog about it, and c) let it fucking go?
Instead, you call her a fembot (what’s the matter, Rush? Don’t have the balls to call her a feminazi?), and cast aspersions on the intelligence of those who disagree with you ON THIS ISSUE. I’ve gotta be honest, I haven’t read all of your work (there aren’t enough hours in the day). I have a feeling I would have a problem with your overall rhetorical style, given the examples in the posts I’ve read recently, but I can’t say anything about your intelligence because I DON’T KNOW YOU.
I’m sure you have something valid to say, you just need to consider how it will sound to your audience.
BTW, if you have it in your power, I’d love it if you could kick me out of this conversation. WordPress won’t let me unsubscribe from these comments. Plus, you’ll get a nice little endorphin rush.
There’s probably another 5,000 words of the same kind of gibberish. And the record for speed garbage goes to John Morales for pumping out 16 unique and verbose pieces of gibberish in 54 minutes. One item is preserved above.
October 18, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Wow… the general theme seems to be “Franc hates Rebecca ‘cos he can’t get laid”. What does that tell you about how these guys minds operate?
October 18, 2011 at 8:24 pm
I know. And like all great troops of morons, they change their minds to suit. The rest of the time I’m evil because I get laid whenever I please using legal adult services – which they then think can be used as a shame lever, using good puritan logic.
Baboons are so fickle.
October 18, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Well I guess that old argument about “who’s smarter? atheists or believers?” is settled. PZ must feel so proud.
October 18, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Stop hurting their feelings. It’s like frying ants with a magnifying glass you bully.
October 18, 2011 at 11:21 pm
You didn’t mention retard roll-call at ERV where they confuse a statement (and a hypothetical one at that) with a question –
How many twits re-babbled it? 50? 100? They’re still going. I think they even called it “occupy ERV” at baboonland. Rocket scientists. Danger!
Need a new heirarchy of dumbness –
dumber than dog-shit > dumber than becky > dumber than ophelia > Planck dumbness theoretical limit (Salty Current)
October 19, 2011 at 12:18 am
They didn’t confuse anything at all, cf. this.
October 19, 2011 at 12:58 am
The Watsonistas have been taking notes from the RIAA and Microsoft.
* Linux [the GPL] is like a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches. –Steve Ballmer, on the “threat” of free software
* It’s commonly known as “piracy,” but that’s too benign of a term to adequately describe the toll that music theft takes on the enormous cast of industry players working behind the scenes to bring music to your ears. –riaa.com, on “piracy”
* You might have better luck with women if you didn’t hate them so much. –Matthew Miller, on “misogyny”
October 19, 2011 at 1:06 am
Heh. Another point that has been playing on my mind since forever but I’ve never really found a way to articulate properly –
The hyperbolic nonsense of atheist misogyny, which by definition has to be movement wide oppression of women and endorsed by the entire movement, has not had a single example furnished, yet is apparently rampant and destroying secularism.
Just like piracy, which the mafIAA tells us is rampant and destroying the industry, often just before the next press conference where they announce record profits.
Leopards with different spots and no more. Self-serving catastrophist hysterics. Misandry is an industry, it has a dollar value – which without fear is nothing. Ask Greta Christina – she originally imported it to godlessness and it pays her bills.
October 19, 2011 at 2:35 am
Incidentally, the mafIAA likes to link piracy to terrorism. Ophelia the Prune likes to link people that are cruel to Becky to car bombers. Mere coincidence?
October 19, 2011 at 12:53 am
Shhhh… What’s that sound? Why… it’s…
baboon silence
Don’t hear that very often.
October 19, 2011 at 5:07 am
And so Martin the Furry Porpoise has shut down his “Must report the ERVites….” thread presumably because there were too few supporters and too many dissentors:
http://furiouspurpose.me/2011/10/17/national-geographic-and-scienceblogs-might-want-to-take-a-look-at-the-erv-blog/
Big surprise.
And that Aratina Cage! “Whoosh!” is right. She is really a first rate example of poor reading comprehension. Her responses to other people’s comments are amazingly consistent in their non sequitur style of ramble — seriously, you can pretty much predict, almost verbatim, what she is going to say and how far off the mark (and in which direction) it is going to be.
Sort of OT: I have to admit to being something of a chickenshit, thin-skinned white boy of dubious privilege, limited resources, and minimal community support, and so it does make me uncomfortable being one of the specific targets of so much misrepresentation and anger … but I guess I must carry on trying to express what I see as the truth of the matter.
Scary though. I mean, we say Watson, Benson, Myers, Laden, et al, are not to be trusted because they are mendacious ideological fanatics, and such base dissent and disagreement makes us haters, misogynists (though not all gun toting like this blog — tee hee), racists, and all kinds of evil badness.
They spew real hate, true bile, and explicit wishes for a variety of bad things to happen to us, including painful death, and yet still WE are the haters; we are the bad people; we are the silencers; we are the cancer in the bone….
/hangs head in sometimes insurmountable despair over such willful, intentional, intellectual dishonesty, ideological fanaticism, and evangelical rage
October 19, 2011 at 6:00 am
It is however a nice monument in a way, this comment section, to everything decent people hold dear, and to what sets us apart from the ERV crew.
LOL
October 20, 2011 at 7:05 am
Did it ever occur to these knuckle-heads that Abbie’s “everything I hold dear” might be referring to freedom of speech?
At least, that’s how I interpret it. of course, I wouldn’t expect the thought to ever have occurred to them.
October 20, 2011 at 9:27 am
Of course it is freedom of speech. Thats obvious to even the most casual of observers, even those of very limited intelligence.
But apparently not those of very, very limited intelligence.
😉
October 20, 2011 at 10:42 am
I found the suggestion that they are “decent people” more amusing.
October 19, 2011 at 11:58 am
John Greg: They spew real hate, true bile, and explicit wishes for a variety of bad things to happen to us, including painful death, and yet still WE are the haters; we are the bad people; we are the silencers; we are the cancer in the bone….
Godwin be damned, this is spot on –
October 19, 2011 at 6:19 am
Oh Frankie, did you have to post all of those again? My brain still hurts from reading them the first time.
I spoke with a sceptic friend of mine, he is paid to speak at skeptic events, so although he is a card-carrying skeptic, and quite involved in the sceptical community offline, he does not participate in the online blogs (he’s smart, it gets frustrating and tiresome).
I told him a bit of what has been transpiring, and he quite confidently said that those that are of the Baboon Board, Pro-Watson, followers of Ophelia Benson sort are well in the minority. They are just vocal and loud, but they represent such a small fraction of the community, they are nearly invisible.
The perspective gets skewed when one is constantly reading the nonsense that Franc has tirelessly documented. It was quite nice to hear that away from here, they are not supported, yes, I know Franc has said that time and again, however, I have been so saturated in the idiocy, I was beginning to believe that their numbers were larger than Franc thought.
It is refreshing to know that Franc has been correct all along. (He will say to me, “I’m always right, pumpkin” – That will be used as”proof” he is degrading to women, I’m sure). I’ve been good friends with Franc for many years, I don’t waste my time with people who are what the Pharanguladrones like to say what Franc is. It does make me laugh, as they so clearly do not know him at all.
My favourite is when Franc baits them with a ridiculous comment, and they fall for it, so needy are they for confirmation bias, they are oblivious to the irony of the fact that they are so transparent, and so easily manipulated. It amazes me. It just so obvious to me that occasionally Franc will say something with the only intention being to get them riled and hysterical, and they don’t see it, they don’t see how he holds the strings.
I learned this in grade school. Don’t ever let them see that you have gotten to them, for then they win. It’s the reaction that they are looking for, and by giving it to them, you lose immediately.
It can be great fun to see the one who wants a reaction to squirm and get frustrated and angry when you don’t give it to them. I am not at all comparing Franc to the “bully” but it is the same game.
I love when someone tries to have a go at me, I am an expert in turning the tables just by being calm, and pretending that I do not know they are trying to get to me, I have it down to a science. It’s been a long time since I have had to play the game to an extreme, but I remember it fondly. Such incredible power I wield just by not reacting.
I am aware that most people never learn this lesson, but I find that truly intelligent people usually have. This is where we are so far out of their league it is consistent amusment, even though at times, the game is just so very easy it gets tiring. A more challenging opponent is what I’ve been waiting for, but as Franc has written above, so far they have not surfaced.
pity.
October 19, 2011 at 6:28 am
That may even be skewed. These people are cowards who wouldn’t dare take their online “personas” out into the real world. Of course, that’s entirely practical because if they did, they would probably be blogging from the hospital with their jaws wired shut.
October 19, 2011 at 11:26 am
Yeah, there was an unshaken on side bet that I could get the baboons to discuss Veronika Moser, the German shit-eater Queen. Guess who won? And its not like a said anything that I have not discussed with others’ previously anyway – no matter how you look at it, Ms. Moser is a fascinating cultural artifact – it was not a contrived nonsense purely as moron bait. But the morons bit anyway.
October 19, 2011 at 11:37 am
Sacha: I was beginning to believe that their numbers were larger than Franc thought.
It is refreshing to know that Franc has been correct all along. (He will say to me, “I’m always right, pumpkin” – That will be used as”proof” he is degrading to women, I’m sure)
I’m always right, pumpkin. I have documented Skepchicks non-presence online – equal to the foreskin restoration network. I have also estimated that this lunacy has caused half of the Big Baboons audience to leave in disgust – of course you will never get human pot-hole like him to ever admit such a reality in public, but it must gnaw on him.
From the start I have been calling this the frill-necked lizard strategy that is a favourite of all ideological maniacs. Make noise, create an illusory “majority” impression. This is what the moralising theistic right lives and breathes – and these clowns have learned their tricks.
This is why it shits me that people who should know better, like Novella, fall for it all like patsies.
October 19, 2011 at 11:52 am
And the half that The Naked One has lost is the smart half. Evidence? See main post. That is not selective editing, a la “freethought”blogs, it is a block dump, as is, untouched.
October 20, 2011 at 7:14 am
This is why it shits me that people who should know better, like Novella, fall for it all like patsies.
It disappointed me greatly to see Novella back Rebecca so single-mindedly in that SGU 24 thread.
It seems now that Bob is the only one of the SGU crew who is tiring of her antics. I seem to recall in one of the SGU podcasts around the time of elevatorgate, he questioned if it was necessary to delve into feminist issues at every atheist/skeptic event. I almost felt bad for him… he sounded like a scared little child, dancing on eggshells, trying avoid the wrath of the headmistress.
October 20, 2011 at 9:36 am
This is why it shits me that people who should know better, like Novella, fall for it all like patsies.
“Im a Skeptic! People cant fool me!”
See The Rational Response Squad.
See Josh Timonen.
See Jose Alvarez aka Deyvi Pena aka John Doe.
October 20, 2011 at 11:59 am
Jesus* – RRS, one of the few articles in Encyclopedia Dramatica where realism drowns juvenile satire. Please, Abbie. I know, I know. My despair is that folks like Novella are the last hopes – and they too fail.
[*] – for the pedants, “Jesus is just a word I use to swear with” — Richard Harris
October 20, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Novella admits that his opinion is not impartial since she is a “friend”. It will be ugly when she chucks him under the bus for anything that get her the attention of the internets.
Pissing people off brings far more notoriety, than being a force for good. RW learned everything she knows from the WBC!
October 21, 2011 at 12:54 am
Novella’s opinion doesn’t have to be impartial. It doesn’t seem unreasonable to expect it be based on reality, but everyone fucks up sometimes.
Friendship complicates things especially, but I’m told that a man can be judged by the company he keeps…
October 20, 2011 at 11:23 pm
You can tell they are defending pure ideology, not rational thought or legitimate principles. When logic and common sense easily unmasks the absurd hypocrisy, comments are abruptly shutdown.
Sure that’s another typical headstone, not a monument, in the grave yard of logic. WTG, idiots!
I love that their is a blog dedicated to this destructive ideology!
Thanks for the awesome content.
Greylining has become one of my favor blogs. I don’t post often. But I read EVERYTHING! Links and all!
Keep up the good work, Franc and friends!
October 20, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Thanks S. It’s you quiet folks that make it worthwhile. While I can do my bit to show Myers and his church members up for the baboons they are, that’s the easy part – and it is easy, it’s like falling off a bar stool drunk – the hard part is getting some actual change to happen…
That’s your job – meaning you and the majority of the silent observers out there. Maybe this can be our occupy skepticism / godlessness. The territory has to be reclaimed from the charlatans and the self-serving pocket-liners. That has to be done on the street by the rank and file. Spread the word – every little bit helps.
October 21, 2011 at 1:19 am
As Isaac Asimov so brilliantly illustrated in his short story (simply titled Reason), logic will always fail when the premises are wrong. What the Watsonistas and baboons are doing is perfectly logical given their strange beliefs.
It’s so much simpler than all of that: some opinions are based in observable reality, others are not. The Watsonistas and baboons are by all means deluded.
October 21, 2011 at 1:40 am
If Felch hadn’t died in that unfortunate farming incident, he could have written the next NYT bestseller, The Baboon’s Blunder: Slave Morality and the New New Atheism. The good always die young it seems.
October 20, 2011 at 11:25 pm
I mean “there” not their and “favorite”, not favor
see why I don’t post much? LOL
October 26, 2011 at 5:54 pm
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