When you profess to be a freethinker, it is a peculiar form of cowardice that has no shame at ridiculing Michele Bachmann1 with frat-boy sexual innuendo and peabrain insult over an unfortunate frankfurter incident, yet turns a deliberate blind eye to jaw-dropping idiocy when it’s perpetrated by one of your own.
But PZ Myers is a guy for whom double-, or even triple-, standards just don’t provide enough wiggle room. The man is a rainbow of expedient contradictions and knows no limits, always willing to conform to any ideology, providing it displays the correct (and mutually advantageous) rebellious and vengeful slave phenotype.
So when things are pretty slow over at the baboon board, a guy as resourceful as the Naked One – who never sees problems, only opportunities – takes full advantage and usefully fills the void by reaffirming his toilet slavery and resurrecting the carcass of the atheist misogyny meme for the umpteenth time –
My immediate thought on being given the link was that this is rehash of a replay of a regurgitation, and it is in more ways than one. The article referenced that has PZ licking the girls latrines clean all over again is from The Guardian September 26 – Why the New Atheism is a boys’ club by Victoria Bekiempis. The fact that the article is recycled filler for The Guardian itself on a slow content day eludes the Naked One in his enthusiasm to please.
It was originally published in BITCH MAGAZINE way back in May under a different, less eye catching headline, The Unbelievers. The article was well and truly pre-elevator idiocy, and does not feature a gratuitous graphic of Dawkins like The Guardian one does, y’know, to feed the controversy.
And as for the ‘zine itself, well, it’s quite insulting to the Pudgy Pink Princess – she does not merit even a single mention anywhere in the entire BitchMedia site (even after all her theatrics). And skepchick.org gets mentioned *twice* – once in article comment thread by an unverified user that looks like comment spam trying to thieve BM traffic, and again as a site some other member happens to read. But that’s it.
To add insult to insult, just randomly clicking around BM, it appears to be a ‘zine that refuses to wallow in self-pity and finger-point while howling how unfair the planet is (though I could be wrong – I haven’t studied it in any great depth). In fact, it seems to be mostly run by uppity, independent women that stand on their own hind legs, have no need for white knights like Myers and seem to have a solid DIY ethic. Obviously gender traitors.
The salt in the wound is that the article overall is quite rational and objective, refuses to indulge exclusively in the blame and victim game, and worst of all, suggests positive actions to take instead of just sitting around and whining –
So let’s reframe. For every mention of Hitchens, counter with a mention of Hecht. For every theory that male atheists are purer or more confrontational, let’s ask why we gender the philosophy of nonbelief to begin with. The ranks of atheists who don’t fit the popular profile are increasing, and with more attention paid to who isn’t a white male author with a fancy-pants book contract, the public face of nonbelief may begin to look as diverse as atheism’s adherents actually are.
Fucking outrageous. It’s almost as though they believe they’re equals that can stand up for themselves.
Of course the Baboon King does what he does best – applies his convenience store view of reality to the whole piece, tosses out all the bits that deviate from orthodox ideology, and keeps the remaining segments that squeal exclusively about sexism – approximately 10% of the whole article. The rest, you see, simply doesn’t matter. It won’t do to mention it and it won’t earn any drunken Skepchick happy snaps at the next conference…
And the Baboon King’s commentary, as usual, only makes bad citation even worse, starting with its opening hackneyed bon mot –
It’s rather like a case of acne; we’ve got it, people are pointing it out, and we’re trying out denial as a solution.
But vat we really haff iz ze Jewish white male problem unt it demands ze FINAL SOLUTION!
He does this shit with a straight face. Unbelievable.
I know what happens next. Hackles rise, men get all defensive, and get huffy and angry while simultaneously denying that they have a pimple and how rude of those nasty feminists (said with a sneer) to point it out.
And so it grinds on. Not only does the record never change, neither does the track it’s stuck on.The man is incapable of framing any kind of reality outside of a brutal victim / bully closed loop system. At all. It reminds me of an observation made by Peter Sloterdijk in his Critique of Cynical Reason –
The violent, antirationalistic impulse in Western countries is reacting to an intellectual state of affairs in which all thinking has become strategy.
Myers and the gaggle of victim feminists, who’s skirts he clings to like a frightened child, have spent so much time wallowing in self-fabricated fear and despair that they are simply unable to deal with anything that transpires in the real world without framing it as some binary, good versus evil conflict. Their entire reality is a perpetual state of war, all communication is loaded with either jingoism or menace, every action and reaction carries with it some kind of strategic intent. Neutrality simply does not exist. It is a downward spiral into persecution paranoia.
And they claim they can enlighten us. Not only that, they also have some kind of Manifest Destiny to do so by force.
I won’t even go into Myers’ absolutely nauseating closing paragraph, but I for one don’t know how it could be possible to get any more condescending or demeaning – the one thing it clearly does imply is that Myers is the only man on the planet that seems to know what women want. I’ll leave that to you ladies to deal with…
The rest descends into some kind of derangement arms race in the comments section. Non-exhaustive sampling, there’s only so much of this crud you can view in one sitting –
Ed Brayton says:
Diversity really is a good thing in this kind of community because it allows us to benefit from the perspectives of people whose experiences probably don’t match our own in many ways. [link]
“Diversity”. From a representative mix of middle class, white, North Americans from the authoritarian, over-socialised left. Off to a flying start.
The Naked Emperor says:
I’m not going to crack down on the comments any more than I already have. It is what it is, and I know that some people get turned off by the hurly-burly, but others find it liberating and entertaining.
I feel no responsibility to change it. Pharyngula is not atheism. People who find these threads confrontational and obnoxious can and should go to another site and find their joy there — I feel no desire to consume the whole of the internets. [link]
All said without sniggering. Again. Iron discipline. Well, “not going to crack down” is not quite the same as “not maintaining blacklists“… technically, the former may not be the same kind of fib as the latter. Nor is “desire to consume the whole of the internets” the same as wanting to control what is allowed to be said on it.
And this is just Academy Award material –
Hillary Rettig says:PZ… I understand the reasoning for your laissez faire approach – and it has been spectacularly successful – but the punching-bag quality to a lot of the threads, plus the childish mean spiritedness and “gotchas” are discouraging to MANY people who find such dialogues either outright scary or a waste of time (or both).
As far as I can tell, the popular feminist blogs all set much stronger explicit rules for their commenters, with the explicit goal of providing a safe and welcoming space. [link]
Lady, you can teach chumpy a thing or two about straight faced delivery. That’s hot-coffee-sinus-douche material. There is nothing quite as safe as an environment where all contrarian opinion is purged by default.
Lastly, here is where it just stops being funny. This is like Mao’s China or the former Soviet bloc –
Riptide says:
Yes, I know I’ll probably get called an MRA for daring to come to the defense of a couple of men [link]
Fear of being dragged away to the gulags… For the crime of defending Hitchens and Stephen Fry, thereby by risking being branded as someone who defends men’s rights…
This is what secularism is being reduced to. It’s like observing an alien species. There are over 500 more equally eye opening glimpses into the Borg mind that constitutes the baboon board. Read at own risk.
Awful. Simply fucking awful. And the turntable will grind on…
1 – The baboon board thread in question is well worth reading if you’re a neuro-masochist. Everything is “me-too!” parroting of Myers for the first 90 comments (including from fembots), but at comment #91 the first stern sensitivity lecture is delivered, and it’s aboutface 180° as the admonishments begin, forcing the Naked One to censor his own post. Marching in unison with a precison that puts North Korea to shame. “Freethoughtblogs”. Ayup. Such uniform independent thinking is a sight to behold. Discussed previously –
https://greylining.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/pz-myers-attacked/
September 28, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Hey PZ… You banned me from your site. I only made comments that I truly believed (no trolling), and I was as patient as a nun while your hoard called me a rapist, misogynist, and wife abuser.
Nice hypocrisy!
September 29, 2011 at 2:29 am
I used to find his board somewhat interesting, but it’s pretty much a full-on left of leftist Fascist site where if you even have an inkling of comments that are more in line with the norm, you get piled on by a swarm of baboons and are eventually called a ‘fuckwit’ or ‘twit’. They like to use both of those terms when they’re losing the argument.
Their treatment of Republican women is horrendous. Even if one disagrees with these women politically or thinks they are scientifically lacking knowledge, it’s no way to treat them. Total hypocrisy and far worse treatment than asking them if they want a coffee.
In addition to the Bachmann hot dog photo, PZ was quick to blame Palin for the shooter down in AZ. Totally ridiculous as it turned out the shooter was a full-out quack. To my knowledge he didn’t apologize for his false assessment.
September 30, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Yep. The Jacobin Atheists at Myers’ Temple of Sycophants has left a few of us disgusted.
September 29, 2011 at 12:24 am
Pepper in a few squids and an occasional token article or two about biology on Pandagon, and you pretty much have Pharyngula. Maybe PZ should shut down Pharyngula and become a contributor there. In doing that, he would be surrounded by like-minded peers such as Manjaw Marcotte, and he would have to worry much less about those stupid men and their bruised pee-pees.
September 29, 2011 at 12:27 am
This is starting to look like a case of the stubborns on PZ’s part. Wanting to continue in some sort of “is too, is too, is too” sort of way. Refusal to see any instances where there is no sexism (other than his blog, of course, where he offers shelter and an automatic assumption that one’s victimhood status is legit). I wonder if he ever maybe knowingly exaggerating/making shit up, thinking it’s for a greater good. Common faith and ideology, rather than asking “what are the facts”.
Bertrand Russell’s Message to Descendants (1959):
September 29, 2011 at 2:40 am
I wish he would have qualified his moral statement, that we should never tolerate intolerance.
September 29, 2011 at 3:11 am
Maybe something about selective tolerating of intolerance would be in order. There’s quite a lot of that going on. Someone should remind PZ that only some meme selections evolve to make it to the future, others don’t make it when it turns out they are unwanted and booed by more people than want them. He’s trying to keep a dying transitional memetic species alive (radfem overboard misandry leftover from decades ago when it had its heyday), when something stronger and healthier has already come along (egalitarianism between the sexes) and is spreading and competing with the old ideologies.
September 29, 2011 at 3:39 am
Perhaps in Russell’s time, “tolerance” wasn’t so misused as it is today.
To me it’s all about boundaries. Everyone has the right to free expression, and I have the privilege not to like it. Bad behavior on the other hand (e.g., slandering people with labels like “rape apologist” or “sexist”) does not deserve tolerance, and will not receive it from me.
September 29, 2011 at 1:13 pm
“tolerance” has become little more than a tool to silence dissent. Their manifesto for social control is Gollum’s “don’t be a dick sermon”. Perfect justification to shut down anything you disagree with.
September 29, 2011 at 3:21 pm
I was waiting for someone to fire up over –
– quoth the über-baboon
September 29, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Their only obstacle is that reasoning people can recognize the stench of bullshit when they smell it.
October 3, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Oh yeah, it’s all “appreciating women as partners”. That made me roll my eyes. If you don’t do as told and eat the ideology whole, you’re not “appreciating women as partners”. Is PZ a buyideologist instead of a biologist? 🙂
October 3, 2011 at 8:03 pm
I love the fixation on “denial”. The article opens and closes with accusations of denial – like the nasty Becky bashers are the ones in “denial”.
What are you projecting here PZ? Your dysfunctional sexual chronophilia denial where you have to court favours from pudgy entitled white chicks half your age? Or denying your inability to be a male role model to your 2 sons who you NEVER talk about? It’s almost as though you are ashamed to have fathered males…
I’m sure there’s a whole shopping list of denials that the Naked One will deny having.
September 29, 2011 at 2:09 am
Scented Nectar, I have long held this message by Russell as a code of living. Also, I think I introduced you to it. I’m glad to see it was beneficial to share.
Franc, I was happy to wake up to this in my inbox this morning. =^_^=
I am envious of your skill in metaphor. I write in a much more direct, matter-of-fact way. Not as a style of choice, but one of utility. I do it well enough. =P
/tipo’thecat
September 29, 2011 at 2:21 am
You reintroduced me to it, but I first saw it, I think over a year ago. Ironic thing about it, is that it might have even been on Pharyngula where I first saw it. I can’t remember for sure. 😀
Definitely words to live by. Unfortunately, you can lead a Pharyngula-horde to water, but you can’t make them drink.
September 29, 2011 at 2:28 am
Twice in two days’ time I’ve thought it necessary to cite Dorothy Parker: you can lead a horticulture, but you can’t make her think.
Seems somehow apropos here.
September 29, 2011 at 3:40 am
How about… you can lead a horde ‘o squid to non-rape-culture, but you can’t make them believe it and chill the fuck out?
Sometimes cigars are just tobacco, and not actually a penis out to rape, demean, oppress, and make the self-infantalized-girlwomen go waa waa waa.
If they put half their whining energy towards some really serious sexism, like what goes on in theocratically run countries, maybe they’d be useful. Xtians fuck up sexual based rights in places like Uganda and the Philippines, and of course there are all the muslim hellholes that enforce sex-based injustices. And back home in America, there are the dominionists and similar xtian groups to fight. And there are even jewish theocrats (people tend to forget about the orthodox extremists among jews) who are enforcing religious laws (including ones that fuck up women) in neighbourhoods that they live in, right here in North America, not to mention in their theocratic country of Israel where a man who fails to pre-inform a jewish woman that he’s not jewish, can get charged with rape after consensual sex when she later regrets having sex with a non-jew.
September 29, 2011 at 2:51 am
To recapitulate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNi7SjgxQQI
This is your message.
Also, the I hate you with my vagina picture is my background on Twitter.
September 29, 2011 at 3:59 am
Yikes, now PZ has an entire thread asking people to abuse him. My wondering occasionally about as to whether he could be into this whole radfem thing for humiliation/cuckolding kicks is a little stronger.
Kind of makes you want to stop insulting him when you realize that he’s maybe wanking over being told what a bad, bad little man he is.
Dilemmas, dilemmas, rightfully/deservedly insult the guy, or hold back just in case he, you know, uh, really really likes it for all the wrong reasons.
What to do, what to do…. I don’t know anymore. I’m certainly not into that stuff as a kink, so it’s not like I (or any other insulters of PZ), have given our consent, you know? Gives it an ickiness factor I just wasn’t expecting. 🙂
September 29, 2011 at 4:32 am
This is no problem for me…. I have been banned! Haha. What a blessing in disguise.
September 29, 2011 at 4:41 am
I couldn’t help myself, even though it was too easy:
“You *are* into humiliation. We knew it all along.
All those radical feminists abusing you.
Having an angry wank, PZ?”
September 29, 2011 at 4:52 am
I had to write it quick before I changed my mind, so not quite as creative as I could have been, but perhaps this way, it will be posted, that is, unless I am also banned and I don’t know it yet.
October 3, 2011 at 7:54 pm
I still laugh at that comment every time I see it, remembering when he accused (MRAs was it?) of having an angry wank. I guess he knows the topic well. 🙂
October 3, 2011 at 8:06 pm
I believe I’m the original “angry wanker”.
September 29, 2011 at 4:54 am
not banned yet: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/09/28/the-abuse-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-76534
September 29, 2011 at 5:23 am
Your name and profile description would indicate that you may be of the XX chromosomal persuasion. PZ’s dungeon is currently male only, or at least people who are presumed to be male, only.
If you make it to the dungeon, I will be surprised. PZ lets women get away with almost anything, whereas men start off with a default handicap of “you’re a woman-hating, privileged rapist – prove you’re not!”. This has made for a rather sex-biased collection in his dungeon.
September 29, 2011 at 5:48 am
but he’s not at all sexist
September 29, 2011 at 6:05 am
No, no, of course not. It’s never sexist when they do it. I’m sure it’s only being done for the greater good, or that only men actually oppose the radfem ideology. Us women who oppose it are just poor helpless victims of patriarchal brainwashing. Those aren’t our own thoughts/actions. We only are in it for male approval. Stepford wives to an extreme. Victims, but never, ever, initiators of such blasphemy that’s dungeon worthy. We obviously have been taken advantage of, have no agency, and are weak victims who just don’t realize it. Someday, they’ll convince us of that and then rescue us. It will be a glorious day, I’m sure. 🙂
September 29, 2011 at 7:01 am
I suppose said rescue would look something like this?
September 29, 2011 at 7:37 am
Yes, but without so much finesse and style. 🙂
September 29, 2011 at 10:56 am
This seems to be the only comment (besides mine) that is not part of the Borg:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/09/28/the-abuse-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-76555
September 29, 2011 at 11:23 am
I left that place behind me a couple of weeks ago, and it’s been a good couple of weeks. Just getting away from that awful comments section has been a liberation. I can deal with you quoting from it, but only just. I’m a cold turkey type. I don’t half-quit shit. When I walk away from something, I walk the fuck away from it. But at least your excerpts serve to remind me what a good decision I made by leaving.
What the fuck is that man’s deal? I know I’ve asked the question here before, and you’ve worked very hard at attempting an answer to it, but I’m no nearer to understanding than I’ve ever been. All I know is that it’s a fucking waste.
September 29, 2011 at 1:39 pm
What the fuck is that man’s deal?
As I keep saying, he is the bastardised “liberal” left’s mirror image of Glenn Beck. He’s a yellow journalism tycoon – he’s just doing what comes natural.
September 30, 2011 at 12:00 am
I’ll speak for myself here. The real question isn’t what the deal is with PZ, but rather what made this so exceptional to wake me up? I used to read it and enjoy the site quite a lot, and certainly that wasn’t out of masochism, but PZ has always been the same cunning linguist he has always been.
Was this particular instance just so extremely offensive so as to say enough is enough, or was I just not reading closely enough before now? Maybe I simply grew up…
September 30, 2011 at 12:27 am
Unfortunately, all of us succumb to confirmation bias to one extent or another. I have never been a baboon board participant, or had much interest in it. Like Skepchick, I was ambivalent out of ignorance. I *assumed* they were on my side of the fence, therefore worth lip service type support. But I was wary of its populism – and several pre-EG incidents made me more wary (cf the fish mass murder episode – footnote to an early piece here).
Hopefully, this is a wake up call to the broader community – yes we do have snake oil peddlers and charlatans in our midst. So apply skepticism and scrutiny without mercy. This sycophantic corruption goes all the way up the chain to the board of CFI itself now. You can’t trust anybody that claims to represent you anymore.
September 30, 2011 at 1:03 am
I do live in Bumblefuck, USA in a small Midwest city which pretty much has a church on every block. One could only imagine how I might get sick of all the evangelical Jesus crap, and it’s pretty obvious how something like the baboon board might have appealed to me at the apex of that frustration. Confirmation bias is a good explanation, which also accounts for the false sense of betrayal that I had. Not sure if any other former readers had that or if I’m just weird there.
September 30, 2011 at 1:36 am
I was quite disillusioned with him too. I had assumed long ago, when first reading his blog, that he would apply the same scrutiny to issues of sex and sexism that he would regarding religious topics. But no, he isn’t able to do that. It turns out that he is a faith-head regarding gender feminism. I had assumed that he would be a more logical equity feminist, but no. He’s bought into the radfem (gender feminists) ideology with all of its thought crimes (‘objectifying’, and ‘sexualizing’) and perpetual victimhood. Sexpelled – No Scrutiny Allowed.
Now, I don’t even trust that his atheism topic articles are anything more than what he thinks people want to hear.
September 30, 2011 at 1:53 am
Nectar: that he would apply the same scrutiny to issues of sex and sexism that he would regarding religious topics.
Scrutiny or opportunism? Activism or marketing? Is his anti-religion shtick anything more than feeding a ready audience what it wants? The communion wafer episode reminds me of Ozzy Osborne and the bat – something that could be turned into a priceless marketing gimmick.
I no longer entertain the illusion that the Naked One has any integrity whatsoever about anything. He is a mindless populist – a P.T. Barnum exploiting a gullible bunch of secularist shmucks that honestly know no better.
September 30, 2011 at 3:21 am
I still find myself wanting to believe that at some point, he really was into actual scrutiny, and evidence-based and/or humanism-based activism, but maybe opportunistic marketing is what it has been all along. I can no longer assume/expect that he gives the atheism topics a more rational treatment than he’s given the feminist topics, and he probably just apes topics and trends he sees other atheists being interested in. Also, he’s big on using the fallacy of emotional appeal + ‘anecdata’, just to drum up outrage, no matter what the topic.
I used to actually believe his claims that he catches things when going over studies with a fine toothed comb, but that probably is based on what he WANTS to find right or wrong in studies. He’s lost the assumption of credibility I used to mistakenly give him. Funny enough, it’s due to seeing him give an automatic assumption of credibility to some thoroughly ridiculous claims of sexism.
September 30, 2011 at 3:50 am
Also, he’s big on using the fallacy of emotional appeal + ‘anecdata’, just to drum up outrage, no matter what the topic.
Yellow journalism.
I used to actually believe his claims that he catches things when going over studies with a fine toothed comb, but that probably is based on what he WANTS to find right or wrong in studies.
He’s worn out his welcome in much of the science community too. He has close to zero credibility. See science20.com as an example of the esteem in which he is held. We aren’t the only people he has soiled his pants in front of.
September 30, 2011 at 5:57 am
@SN,
Now, I don’t even trust that his atheism topic articles are anything more than what he thinks people want to hear.
I started following PZ about an year ago. At that time, I used to follow Phil Plait primarily for astronomy, and ended up getting introduced to skeptic and ultimately atheist movement. There was one post by Plait suggesting pussyfooting on some pope-issue, and PZ subsequently referred to that .. in a highly mis-representative way (i.e strawman) and attacked that. I was scratching my head, and saw that others also mentioned the strawman. PZ didnt care.
And while piling on accomodationists, PZ also trashes Michael Ruse (and Ophelia trashes historian Joseph Hoffman) disproportionately, and if you actually follow these, you will see that they are highly knowledgeable people and nowhere near as painted. Initially I swallowed it wholesale, but ultimately it boils down to one thing. Gathering all facts and seeing reality as it is, with all the shades of gray. The science2.0 guys were right.. PZ knocks down only stupid non-argument types, but there’s not much else there.. no intellectual upliftment. Franc mentioned the ‘Big Lie’ in one of his posts..a lie so outlandish that you dont possibly expect the person to really lie that much, and thereby take it to be the truth. Somehow this baboon king gained adequate respectability, possibly to some extent by rubbing shoulders with RD, and we bought the Big Lie that this baboon king is respectable.
September 30, 2011 at 6:15 am
It feels like a bunch of us have just left a cult, and are now properly horrified at what is actually there, when looking in at the cult from the outside.
And the fact that he’s friends with Dawkins (not sure if they’re still as close after EG though) did indeed give Myers a bit of extra ‘street cred’ in my eyes.
September 30, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Well, as with fascism, they do also satisfy most cult checklists. It is organised groupthink that can u-turn on the head of a pin as the Bachmann frankfurter episode clearly showed. It is every bit as much a cult as that which follows Ayn Rand and Fox news.
September 29, 2011 at 3:56 pm
The Emporer got butt-hurt? From your link:
“After reading the responses to this article, I’ve reconsidered and decided it was too easily misconstrued, so it’s gone.
I will leave a link to the original news story, however.”
September 29, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Nah, he got attacked by his own baboons and the pussy self-censored. See the footnote and this –
https://greylining.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/pz-myers-attacked/
September 29, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Nevermind… I got my tabs mixed up. That was the older PZ post you linked to in the footnotes.
September 30, 2011 at 10:29 am
Interesting blog.
I have seen stalker blogs before, and yours is only one step removed. The insecurity is so thick you can almost cut it with a knife – for goodness, sake, look at the number of grade-school insults in the “tags” that supposedly describe this post. And all the anger over a “guys, don’t do that” comment in a frickin’ Internet video.
I suggest therapy, dude.
September 30, 2011 at 12:17 pm
I know. I should really display more maturity and unbiased rhetorical elegance like Myers and Watson do shouldn’t I? Y’know, be harsh, but fair, and research everything meticulously, and show no fear or favour. Speak with dignity and respect.
Thanks for your advice. You like the emperor’s new wardrobe I take it?
PS – therapy is a sham. Your heroes are more into pyres in the town square.
Tags: stalker, insecurity, therapy, anger, lather-rinse-repeat
September 30, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Who on earth told you that it is all about only that first little EG video she did? Have you not been paying attention? Do you have any good arguments regarding what she did to McGraw, Paula Kirby, the genitally insulting name calling she did to Dawkins, her mean spirited fucking up people’s accounts over at Randi’s, her lack of content when it comes to speaking events (switching the topic eg: communicating atheism became “men are thinking about sex waaaaa so since I wasn’t on that women and atheism panel – I’ll do it anyways so there!”), her forgetting to turn her donation thing into the registered charity she said it would be, her influencing in a very bad way future conferences, where now any mention of sex is called harassment even when it’s not, her pretence of speaking for other women even though the majority of us are appalled by her perpetual victim whining, her accusations of thought crimes, whereby any male who has a sexual thought ***without*** harming her is guilty of profound sexism, misogyny, ‘sexualizing’ and ‘objectification’ crimes, and, hmm, I’m sure I’m leaving a bit out.
Now then, are you sure you really think it’s all about only that first little video where she ordered men to not do what Elevator Guy did? You know, the one where EG was a perfect fucking gentleman and got shit on by her anyways? Do you even realize that he did what we women WANT him to do. He politely asked, and took her answer of ‘no’ with no fuss, no arguing, no hostility. Give me a fucking break. There are no Watson stalkers here, just people fascinated by the story that keeps on unfolding and giving us new pages to read. Hard to put a book like that down, at least until it stops presenting more and more chapters to just finally finish.
She has had a very bad effect on others, and guess what? We ARE going to talk about it. So don’t be a tone troll + concern troll. You’re doing both. Please address the actual issues, ok Becky? or whoever you are?
September 30, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Here’s the panel that Watson WISHED she was on in Ireland, the Women And Atheism panel.
She was instead on the Communicating Atheism panel, where she (without warning or permission) changed her entire topic to say that the women in the above vid were wrong, there is too sexism, is too, is too, is too, thereby fucking up the entire Communicating panel. I suspect that the rest of the Communicating panel, including Dawkins were mentally facepalming in embarrassment at how she ruined their panel.
October 2, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Mind if I do a bit-o-beccy-style name-dropping here?
No? Well that won’t stop me anyway.
I know Tanya Smith1 on that panel, and she is awesomely robust and chock-full of no-bullshit adult Aussie common sense!
I hope to meet up with her again at the Global Atheist Conference in Melbourne next year.
One Tanya is worth a billion Watsons. And that is being overly conservative.
________________
1 Amongst other things, I assisted her research in a project to have the prayers removed from the opening of Parliamentary sessions here in OZ
October 2, 2011 at 7:10 pm
P.S.: Dawkins actually very nearly literally face-palmed at several points during one of Watson’s selfish off-topic character-assassination rambling rants.
You can see it quite clearly in his exasperated body language.
October 2, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Yeah, I caught that part. He looked like he had to stifle what would have been a very exasperated facepalm. 🙂
October 3, 2011 at 5:44 am
What a brilliant panel.
October 3, 2011 at 6:00 am
Hey, each time I try to thumb you up the button moves between 2 places, moving out from under my mouse so that I’m unable to click it. Oh well, I tried. 🙂
That was quite a good panel. Twatson hated it. She probably wanted to be on that one instead of the Communicating one, and she must hate that they have not found all that sexism that she sees everywhere.
October 3, 2011 at 6:13 am
Tanya Smith’s point on role models during the Q&A is exactly the point that needs to be reinforced over and over again to those influential people (whether that influence is truly deserved or not) who believe they have no responsibility over the behavior of those who look up to them as such. Yes in fact they do, and they ought to own up to it!
October 3, 2011 at 1:12 pm
SN: To stop the buttons moving, try making the browser window very narrow, than one can click on the ratings buttons without them behaving in as slippery a manner as does Watson.
Then make your window a comfortable size after voting.
October 3, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Or you can just clear your browser cache and reload the page. But that’s the same as rape.
October 3, 2011 at 7:17 pm
I think I’ll just take the easy way out and tell you all I would have thumbed you up = public masturbation just as the cache clearing is an obvious rape! 😀
August 9, 2012 at 6:14 am
Okay, I know this is a seriously old comment and I’m only reading it because I’m having a serious archive binge, but I want to say I really really effing really love this comment.
I thought I was the only one who thought that the “guys don’t do this” that so many people see as something good was a command to every man in the world that she has no authority to make, both because she can’t command any behavior on men and because she can’t speak for every woman on earth.
Of course, I really really love the rest of the comment, and it’s a great response to the now-tired response ‘all this over a little video she made?”
September 30, 2011 at 11:14 am
User name Shibujiro is getting hammered in the comments of the latest Becky focused article on pharyngula… for disagreeing with Watson’s boycott of Dawkins books.
Unbelievable.
October 1, 2011 at 3:54 am
Allow me to give a preemptive “Welcome” to Shibujiro!
October 1, 2011 at 4:04 am
I don’t blame them for the boycott. I am also boycotting Dawkins and his books. Why, there’s even a rumor going around the iPad version of his book is committing heinous atrocities. http://integralmath.blogspot.com/2011/09/get-your-banana-out-of-my-twatson-man.html
True made up fact.
October 1, 2011 at 8:40 am
fabulous, Justicar.
but, that’s coming from a gender traitor, so it probably does not hold much clout. You need a *real* woman to complement you in order for it to be a true complement.
October 3, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Does 2 gender traitors = 1 woman? Cuz I can help out. 🙂
October 3, 2011 at 7:25 pm
= 2 cows. Therefore a gender traitor is a cow.
October 3, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Hmm, then I won’t have to go to the store today to pick up milk. This could be beneficial. 🙂
October 1, 2011 at 1:37 am
Ewwww this entire blog looks like angry losers on the outside, looking in. Who cares if what PZ wrote was valid or not? You’re spending more time complaining than he did writing. Go be productive; help the community by doing something good, rather than behaving like an infant in soiled diapers.
October 1, 2011 at 1:49 am
A case-in-point of the Pharyngula Horde mentality.
I suppose you found it productive to come here and whine about all those angry losers. Go back and get that pat on the back from your fellow sheep. You’ve earned it.
October 1, 2011 at 1:57 am
Sorry loser, I know exposing your stupidity will only make you more defensive. Anger whores live on humiliation. I’m doing something productive by asking you to stop making our community look like whining basement dwellers, using the only language you understand. Bitching.
This is my last post. Enjoy your productive days spent thinking about how much you hate people part of your own same, small cause.
October 1, 2011 at 2:03 am
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
October 1, 2011 at 2:30 am
Its cute how they think they sound different to each other.
October 1, 2011 at 2:54 am
We just don’t get it.
October 1, 2011 at 3:52 am
Isn’t this where they eschew replies entirely, and simply start posting links to pages of rules that they made up? Because that’s easier than an argument.
October 3, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Sometimes they follow up on their shit ‘n runs, but it’s usually just as garbled a mess of complaints & butthurt crying as their comments.
October 4, 2011 at 6:17 pm
I do love me some good irony. Makes me smile.
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