The more you keep rummaging around in this moral panic morass that the Gruesome Twosome tag-team of Becky Watson and The Naked Emperor have drowned us in, the more you come to realise that you are not even getting close to hitting the bottom of the barrel as far as sheer human decrepitude goes.
Myers, to some extent, can perhaps be excused for being a patsy, a dupe, a shmuck, a conscious man / toilet slave, a naive simpleton, or perhaps even having Stockholm Syndrome from a lifetime of being cuckolded and forced to eat doo-doo.

click to enlarge - http://pharyngula.wikia.com/wiki/Philippe_Giordana
But where PZ stops being just a gullible twit and begins to venture into wannabe Scientologist1 territory is when he escalates ad himinim attacks to the level of wholesale public pillorying, as he recently did with a certain Philippe Giordana (MySpace band page). This, apparently by Pharyngula standards, is deemed acceptable behaviour. PZ, you are now not just a patsy, but officially a full blown, 100% pure gutter slime bag. Nuke the page if you wish, but if there is one thing I have learned from dealing with slimebags it’s to make mirrors.
What we see is a cherry picked handful of text snippets from what is an enormous body of otherwise fairly rational discourse from Philippe who has made that one fatal error – that of questioning The Naked Emperor’s authority. Philippe has even commented here in what is now, I assume, officially classified as “enemy territory”, yet even within these safe and tolerant2 confines he has not uttered anything that could even be remotely called extreme. And in any case, it pales into insignificance compared to some of PZ’s own greatest (albeit politically blessed) hits.
This is mindless, vindictive vilification that ranks amongst the worst that the web’s sewers can produce. It is no different to what a few of the “ladies” from ThinkAtheist and SensitiveLand did at one point – compile a list names and details of those males that had ever dared disagree with them and circulate it as a dossier of known RAPE APOLOGISTS (mentioned previously).
I can already visualise PZ waving his pudgy fingers around and pleading innocence – I didn’t write that. No, perhaps you didn’t. But this is your brand. These are your clowns. They dance to the tune of your piping. They follow your example. These are your babies. You encourage them.
Rebekah Brooks may not be guilty of phone hacking either. But in her position, turning a blind eye whilst encouraging such behaviour is no different to pulling the trigger herself. Like her, you are equally guilty. Again, you are a fucking disgrace.
But of course there is a person here that can make PZ’s moral and intellectual destitution pale into insignificance, and that is Becky Watson herself.
One of the early questions I posed of Becky, given that to any objective observer the elevator hysteria is nothing more than a case of catastrophised trivia, was whether this was simply a case of common attention whoring rather than any genuine offense. Naturally, this suggestion was greeted with general disgust from the apologist camp and merely further evidence of misogyny. Which makes this Tweet by Becky so utterly priceless –
Maybe it’s just my misogynist bone-headedness, but I am having difficulty differentiating traumatised hurt feelings from gloating at a hand well played.
I have to thank The Justicar3 for being far more diligent at capturing and collating this stuff than I am. But that is just the tip of the iceberg of goodies he has managed to unearth that, rather curiously, aren’t ever discussed by any of the elevatorphobes.

Watson's account at the Randi forums - click to enlarge - http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=2685
Of more interest still is Becky’s relationship with Randi.org – or rather her restraining order from.
The brief synopsis (Justicar goes into more detail) is that once upon a time, Becky got herself suspended from the Randi forums for sock puppetry and, one would assume, over exuberant finger pointing.
On being reinstated, her account was mistakenly given an elevated set of administrator privileges. Not being one to look a gift horse in the mouth, Becky then proceeded to take full advantage of her newfound magical superpowers by commencing a pogrom against those that had offended her eyes. She was even emboldened to the point of publicly bragging about it –
At which point the regular moderation team had come to the conclusion that enough was enough, reinstated her suspension, made it permanent and set about undoing the damage she had wrought as best they could –
Strangely enough, there is no discussion of these events on Skepchick, other than one user comment hoping the ban could get lifted by Gollum.
There is a rather more succinct comment on the current nonsense and Becky’s track record made recently by admin at Randi.org –
Is there any evidence at all his guy was at the skeptics conference, as opposed to just hanging out at the bar of the hotel he was staying at?
It seems to me Rebecca is trying to have it both ways, upset because she assumes he heard her talk and then denies the guy was part of any conversation at the bar.
And Rebecca was banned from this very forum because she didn’t have the social skills to understand when she was crossing the line, oh the irony!
You can feel the exasperation in every word.
So, this is where we stand. These are the folks that are the public face that atheism and skepticism presents to the world – a bumbling shmuck and a stupid girl-child throwing an endless tantrum; both with an obvious appetite for power, vengeance and destruction…
No wonder the religious conservatives are laughing sadistically at our expense. Sniping, backbiting, denunciation, slander, malice and now petty revenge. In short, every negative stereotype of the godless made by the theists is coming to life before their very eyes. They are fully entitled to claim that they were right all along about us. Fantastic work Becky and PZ. Who needs to destroy us? We’re perfectly capable of destroying ourselves.
Executive Summary for the lazy –
So what have we learned so far?
- That PZ is an embarrassment.
- That the Skepchick juggernaut is an illusion, having roughly the same daily traffic as The Foreskin Restoration Network.
- That Rebecca Watson is indeed a weak, oppressed female – much in the way that she-spiders are.
We have also learned that the ends justify the means as far as Watsonistas go –
- That dissent of any kind is prohibited and may be silenced by any means necessary.
- That where conventional censorship fails, conventional vengeance shall suffice and it is perfectly OK to attempt to terminate user accounts and have content or whole sites removed – either by abuse of power or by fabricated complaint.
And the lesson for us is –
- If we are content to have such people represent us, then we just may as well pack all our things, give up and go home. Welcome to the new, new, atheism!
But… from a sociological perspective, all of this is fascinating – because what we are witnessing here is the evolution of a new fundamentalism establishing itself from scratch. Enough to make you wish there was a god.
Footnote 1 – PZ manages to jam yet another boot in his mouth
I refuse to even bother to try and understand how his mind works anymore – it just defaults to support whatever the pre-decided conclusion is. PZ’s comment from another post which I just let other folks deal with, but it did require an eventual response from me. Provided as-is by hit-and-run deposit here –
PZ Myers Says:
July 28, 2011 at 1:33 am eWhich is all relevant…how?
Nobody has said, “you must believe us, because our traffic is so vast”. What you’ve done is a classic example of a strawman argument, complete with charts and tables, all mustered to skewer an argument nobody has made…and then to cap it all off, you tag it with the labels “sluttery” and “Babylonian whores”.
We’re laughing at you, guy. I thought you’d hit the nadir before, but you just keep digging.
That’s funny Paul, because somehow I don’t see you laughing. I see a Right Man that has painted himself so far into a corner that he is starting to sweat blood because his hubris won’t let him escape. As a result, he is lashing out in toothless anger and spite. Even your own daughter, in her ever so subtle way, has called daddy’s nonsense for what it is – nonsense. There are other things I could say too Paul – like why is it that a pudgy middle aged, b-list godless almost-celebrity has such a thing for young, mostly white, chicks half his age, but I won’t, because that would mean descending to your level of ad himinem.
I’d ask you how my observations even qualify as a strawman argument, but I don’t expect any kind of coherent answer. Just an FYI then, this is a strawman –
“What’s happened here is that he is at some remove from all of the details, and this issue got blown up by lunatics who felt their manhood threatened and who exaggerated the situation to an absurd degree…”
Again, FYI, my post was a quantification of reality versus noise. Your attempt to frame it as that which it is not is called sophistry – an attempt to confuse the target by showing off the fact that you think your brain is bigger than mine and that big concepts may cause silence by intimidation (which I believe also qualifies it as a Courtier’s Reply). One thing it is not is a strawman.
The purpose of this quantification exercise is due to the fact that one way or the other, your complicity in this idiocy is related to the Skepchick brand. There are two4 commonly held theories for this –
1) You are being terrified into submission, or
2) You are doing this out of expediency due to some perceived populist advantage.
Both options require the Skepchick audience to be of quite monstrous proportion. The analysis shows it is not. Strawman? Do you actually take yourself as seriously as you expect us to?
The exercise of whittling Skepchick down to size shows they are more akin to the Salt Shakers, who are maybe a couple of dozen maniacs that via their sweatshops, are responsible for probably 90% of the moral outrage complaint letters in the entire Australasian region, than some Godzilla like behemoth in the skeptic and godless biosphere. They are nothing of the sort. They just compensate for insignificance with raw noise. And you fall for it. What a chump.
Has all this been worth it PZ? Chasing this idiocy with the uncritical belief of a snake-handler? You have effectively trashed your own reputation for a very significant number of your former admirers. Many, many folks, like me, are from this point on going to treat anything you say that’s not directly related to your bug tanks as highly suspect and believe-at-your-own-risk. For what? For a dull-witted girl child that solves all of life’s problems with tantrums, slander and emotional blackmail.
Footnote 2 – On how deep this rot actually runs
There was a first attempt made to take this blog down by a Watson groupie. Caused a minor hiccup, delayed this post by a day. But hey, to be expected from the kinds of folks we’re dealing with and the upside is that I pulled my finger out and tied up the loose ends for flick-a-switch recovery in case of disaster.
But this nonsense also made me do something I swore I would never do – delete comments (that weren’t outright porn or spam) and ban a user. But I wasn’t really left with a choice. What is now clearly evident is that this corruption and rot trickles down from the gruesome twosome and cross-infects all of those that follow them with the same disgusting behaviour patterns. I spanked a troll in a way they didn’t expect and didn’t like – so they resorted to creationist style tactics in reprisal. The result is that I had to do a bulk purge of some comments – it was easier than cleaning up.
If you are at all curious as to this troll’s intellectual prowess, you can see a copy here (denuded of any identifying info). It’s amazing how much abuse these folks can hurl whilst still maintaining that they themselves are the victims. All in all, this is behaviorally par for the Watson apologist course. Walk in uninvited, behave like a pig, call everyone a rapist, more or less dare them to hit you, then when they respond in a way you can’t anticipate or cope with – squeal.
They really need to start a church.
1 – Thanks John C. Welsh for pointing out the bleeding obvious that the rest of us have missed.
2 – Not to mention “rape friendly” if you keep up with the hype.
3 – The pertinent blogs are –
http://integralmath.blogspot.com/2011/07/ceterum-censeo-rebecca-twatson-esse.html http://integralmath.blogspot.com/2011/07/rebecca-watson-delenda-est-update.html
4 – These options are the only ones left because most people still don’t want to believe you are stupid enough to buy into Watson’s bullshit wholesale. Actually, there’s a 3rd, and that’s that you’re being blackmailed. At this point in time though, that’s just for amusement value. But given the atmosphere if insanity, it’s not one that can simply be dismissed out of hand as “too far out” yet.
July 31, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Thanks for this Franc. Very well written and a good sumup of the main actors’ positions and tactics..
For that wikia page, in the end I think it’s all for the best. As said on Abbie’s site, now I have a blatant exemple of pure dishonnest quote-mining to point to that doesn’t come from creationists and cdesign proponentsist.
Back to agonizing now…
July 31, 2011 at 11:35 pm
That page says more about them than you mate. I’ve lost count of this kind of crap that’s been done to me. Really, think about it – we are the assholes right? How come we don’t do stuff like that then?
July 31, 2011 at 11:40 pm
Because we are the wrong kind of assholes? 🙂
August 2, 2011 at 10:54 am
I am now laughing quite a lot (it hurts). I am one in only 12 people who haven’t been granted amnesty from the banhammer and been released from The Dungeon over at PZ’s (cheesy crust 1.99$ extra).
Reason: “Likewise, another MRA. Also so self-absorbed that he ignored all my warnings…do not piss off the blog owner.”
Shame is, I’ve been a bit of an ass initially, but started discussing with the sycophants and was going somewhere, when BAM! Banned. Yes, I am self-absorbed at times. That tends to happen when my claims of being abused and raped as a child are put into question. But to be even expelled (haha) from the amnesty, I must either have hit a nerve, or represent a danger for PZ’s popularity, or something. I don’t know. Makes me lulz, though…
August 1, 2011 at 12:03 am
La la la. If I edited, my site would flow like the buttah here. =^_^=
I’m uncertain whether using my name will help or hinder your work.
Well done I must say.
August 1, 2011 at 12:19 am
You may very well be an asshole for all I know – I’m not one to leap to conclusions either way. But I do know you don’t rely on personal vilification as a first line of argument, nor are you in the habit of making generalisations from isolated and unrelated observations. If someone is going to judge me by guilt of association with you, it just saves me time by knowing the likelihood they’ll have anything credible to discuss being close to nil.
August 1, 2011 at 12:51 am
Oh, I am an asshole – especially when people give me good reason to be. I’m just not a dishonest asshole. I’m a WYSIWYG kinda guy.
But I know that everything you say here is wrong. How do I know? You aren’t moderating comments like all the “right” people are.
Love and light!
August 1, 2011 at 12:56 am
This place is an open book. As far as I am concerned, anyone who chooses to comment here gets treated the same – be they Watson apologists, or even Fred Phelps himself. The only thing you are not guaranteed is a polite reception or sympathy for your views. Other than that you are free to say or do what you please – the rules are the same as for any public square. The one proviso is that you have the genital fortitude to stand and be honest and accountable for yourself.
The troll critter forfeited all of the above by being deceptive right from the start – and then crying like a rotten child when the hotplate got turned up a notch.
August 1, 2011 at 12:29 am
Great to see you back in control of your blog, Franc. It is astonishing that the tools being used by PZ and his tribe (cheap smear jobs; trying to shut down dissent by getting blogs closed; flagging Justicar’s youtube videos) are very similar to tactics employed by religious fundamentalists. There are endless posts at Pharyngula complaining about these tactics. To see these strategies now being used adds yet another layer to the hypocrisy of these people.
August 1, 2011 at 12:42 am
There is a whole level of hypocrisy Over There that has me starting to doubt PZ’s past blogging and reactions. Not that I don’t trust what he posts about creoturds and all, but these double standards are making me a bit uneasy.
Which is, I think, what makes Dawkins morraly and ethicaly supperior. Want to know how he works and thinks? Read his books. I’ve never seen him stray away from his stance. We all know he’s snarky and witty, and that’s one of the reasons I love his work. It’s like Pratchett In Oxford, you know ?
August 1, 2011 at 2:54 am
You left out the part where Laden accuses people disagreeing with him of making DoS attacks against his site. I want to say it was John C. Welch, but I wouldn’t swear to it this early in the morning (local).
August 1, 2011 at 2:59 am
He has otherwise addressed this point if my memory serves. Of course, I might have had a drug-induced hallucination, in which case I’ll simply blame you for not having shared in it with me. Assholes and your “reality”.
August 1, 2011 at 10:39 am
Well, there we have it, chums. The smoking gun to Rebecca Watson’s narcissism. She’s frail and vulnerable until she gets a hammer to swing, and swing it she will.
I’ve often found it ironic that someone would sits behind the protective shield of her e-fame would have the temerity to accuse other people of being privileged. As we’ve seen, the greatest privilege of all is Rebecca’s ability to be perceived as a special little snowflake that nobody is allowed to touch. She never has to be held accountable for anything she does or says.
Let there be no doubt that the day Rebecca Watson decided to abuse her ill-gotten moderator privileges (there’s that word again!), she did so because she felt absolutely entitled to do so.
August 1, 2011 at 12:33 pm
It’s all just so islamic isn’t it?
August 2, 2011 at 2:56 am
I wonder why the TAM organizers give her speaker/panelist status even after seeing her lousy behaviour. Maybe they will learn this time?
August 1, 2011 at 5:35 pm
franchoggle says:
“No wonder the religious conservatives are laughing sadistically at our expense. Sniping, backbiting, denunciation, slander, malice and now petty revenge. In short, every negative stereotype of the godless made by the theists is coming to life before their very eyes. They are fully entitled to claim that they were right all along about us. Fantastic work Becky and PZ. Who needs to destroy us? We’re perfectly capable of destroying ourselves.”
Don’t be so modest. Your gun-toting mysoginist, and breathtakingly brainless and boring blog has been doing a great job at making atheists look like total nobs for a long time. Give yourself some credit, franc!
August 1, 2011 at 6:07 pm
A good toilet slave should learn how to spell “misogynist”. Nice variant conflating “gun-toting” into the ad himinem at least. Life’s gotten awfully hard for you now you can’t hate blacks, jews or homos. I guess we’ll do in a pinch.
August 1, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Thanks Tony, but I rested my case a long time ago and no one really needs any more evidence. Awesome effort but. Hope you didn’t bite through your lip.
Thanks also for contributing to me other thesis – that Pom’s are one of the few peoples on the planet capable of being less coherent, and more whiney, than Merkins.
August 3, 2011 at 8:56 am
“Pom’s are one of the few peoples on the planet capable of being less coherent, and more whiney, than Merkins.”
Ah, but we have a right to, ‘cos we had the Empire, and everything, and to be fair, we do it with more style. Or, failing that, we do it with sarcasm, and a Terry Thomas accent, and hope no-one notices.
Also, oh fer feck’s sake, now my brain sees it as a challenge to be more whiny than RW and PZ. I bet I could, given enough of a run-up…
August 3, 2011 at 11:32 am
Please do – it’s what makes Brit comedy so great. The world would be sadder without it.
August 1, 2011 at 10:38 pm
[…] In fact, many have even said that we are privileged to witness a rare event – the evolution, from scratch, of a brand new fundamentalism that is unique in that is being driven by those who claim to have renounced the religious impulse. It is depressing to realise that this kind of nihilist thinking runs so deeply in our collective psyches that it doesn’t even need gods or spooks or the supernatural in order to manifest itself in new and destructive ways. […]
August 2, 2011 at 1:45 pm
I’ve been a longtime lurker on Pharyngula, and was pointed to the vile and hate filled thread on ERV by a member of the horde.
Of course, they failed to mention the vileness and hate was from the horde.
You guys and Abbie are my heroes.
Let’s go earn our dead porcupines.
August 2, 2011 at 5:59 pm
[…] PZ Myers and Rebecca Watson: Leadership By Example […]
August 3, 2011 at 10:48 am
It’s interesting that Phil knows the Wikia page was not made by PZ and is not under PZ’s control, yet Phil neglected to mention this.
August 3, 2011 at 11:38 am
Phil didn’t mention it because it’s irrelevant – not because he was taking a leaf out of Myers book and creatively slandering by insinuation. The Wiki uses PZ’s brand and is made by baboons churned out of his indoctrination camps – they mimic the overlord to the best of their ability.
I however do point out that even though Myers didn’t necessarily himself write it, he is still just as responsible. As with Rebekah Brooks, a knowing blind eye and inaction is the same as guilt. How long do you think an Encyclopedia Dramatica style Wiki using the Pharyngula brand would last? PZ knows – and his inaction is endorsement and approval.
August 3, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Well, I did mention it over at Abbie’s, in response to SGBM. I know PZ didn’t create that page and does not administer it, but he fully endorsses its content, if only by the fact that it’s called the PHARYNGULA WIKI! If he disaproves of the page, all he has to do is ask SGBM to remove it. He hasn’t, thus he aproves. or doesn’t care, which for me is almost worst…
August 11, 2011 at 12:56 am
[…] – permanently banned. Exploiting inadvertent elevation of personal account privileges for grubby revenge against other […]
September 30, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Say, Twatson has mentioned you (as I’m sure you’ll know by the ones of people to have clicked your site from hers).
My response: http://integralmath.blogspot.com/2011/09/get-your-banana-out-of-my-twatson-man.html
October 16, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Per: Watson’s brag about “millions of twitter followers”: She has had some success on twitter (19,223 followers). That is pretty reasonable and by any account successful. But the guy she accused of being the past, this Richard Dawkins character (250,203 followers). Clearly one of them is more important to both skepticism and humanism. I wonder which one it is.
October 16, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Both Missy Piggy and Myers the Baboon King are cheap carnival barkers talking themselves up way beyond their actual merit. Skepchick’s web presence is GROSSLY exaggerated – having roughly the same traffic as the foreskin restoration network (seriously). And Myers presence is nowhere near what he brags about, and from what is publicly visible, about half of his original audience has now walked away in disgust – though of course getting a megalomaniac populist like him to admit it makes me think of snowflakes and hell.
It is only the fakes and the frauds that need to boast about their importance in the scheme of things. The genuine players just go about their business in humble silence.
October 17, 2011 at 5:48 am
Which is what I have noticed about the real movers and shakers in the “movement.” Dawkins has barely responded to the nonsense at all, Sam Harris goes about his business. Dennett seems to have important work to do. Coyne offered a few words of support for Dawkins (reposting Mr. Diety’s vid) But also seems busy doing not trivial shit. PZ always seems like a fucking clown in public fora. He isn’t all that articulate in free flowing conversations. And the entire panel with Dawkins (AronRa-who I like on you tube, some clown whose name I cannot remember, and Watson looked pathetically out of their depth when seated next to Dawkins).
Anyway they are terrible for skepticism
September 11, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Well, given that theists routinely accuse atheists of only being atheists b/c Dawkins told them to be or of following Dawkins like a sheep, I’d have to say the ‘mover and shaker’ of the two would be Dawkins. Theists attack the God Delusion. They don’t attack the speeches of RW. Why? Maybe b/c aside from feminists she’s not even on the ‘radar’.
October 17, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Has Watson ever apologized for her douchebaggery (when she banned people she didn’t like at JREF)?
October 17, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Are you serious? She has done nothing wrong and it is all a big joke. We’re talking amoral psychopathy here – its all about “me” and normal rules only apply to other people.
https://greylining.wordpress.com/2011/09/10/why-rebecca-watson-is-a-criminal/
October 17, 2011 at 5:09 pm
ahahahahaha.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHahahahaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Phew. Thanks, I needed that.
February 12, 2012 at 12:37 am
Thank you very much for telling the truth about this hobo and his goons.
February 12, 2012 at 8:48 am
i recently read a remark on someone’s blog (I’ll try to look it up the source) by a commenter who remarked that Myers reminded them of nothing so much these days as a performing circus animal doing tricks for the crowd –his readership–while said crowd tossed biscuits into his mouth. Sad to say, I think that’s largely a pretty apt description. I get the feeling PetitZeus isn’t in this for anything so much as to fame-whore it to death; it’s not so surprising to me that he’s drawn to the Watson crowd and their theatrics. All in all, I think those types are much more at PetitZeus’s baseline level than the Dawkins and Hitchens sorts who carry the type of intellectual weight–as opposed to just bodily avoirdupois–that he can only try to fake and can only fake credibly amongst his intellectually dishonest and lazy fanbase.
February 20, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Yaay, another butt hurt blog.
February 21, 2012 at 11:49 am
You’re confused – this is a butt hurt blog.
Lucky me! He focuses on the really important things, like how I made a YouTube video recently in which I mistakenly said that Galileo was executed by the Church. Within minutes, I updated the video to flag the fact that I was wrong, but that doesn’t matter.
There are minor details like “minutes” actually being “weeks”, and only after mass ridicule elsewhere forced the correction, and the fact that if you are going to be a parasitic tick sucking junkets from the ass of the skeptic community, the least you can do in return is fire up Wikipedia occasionally.
‘Nother baboon – nothing to add, just a trite flip off. Added to the collection.
July 12, 2012 at 1:46 am
This is amazing. I suppose I really shouldn’t be the least bit shocked that ol’ Paul would have such brilliant and articulate detractors, but everything here has been an utter pleasure to read that I’m downright stunned.
September 11, 2013 at 2:06 pm
1) You are being terrified into submission, or
2) You are doing this out of expediency due to some perceived populist advantage.
3) He’s an old man trying to have sex with a young woman. To hell with what he’s supposed to stand for, he wants a taste of 20 something poon. Yeah, crudely put but it’s not like it’s a rare motivation for an older ‘gentleman’.
I imagine that someday the lot of them might buy some land in Guyana and hold their own little Kool Aid party.
September 20, 2013 at 3:02 pm
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